Wow you disagree with me while I said to yu how the system works
aim-9m is using something called “tracking suspension” which makes the missile avoid flares unless in game you spam which makes the missile miss
while r-73 has it differently (FoV decrease) and makes it really hard to flare from 1,5km range
so the only dellusional player is you… no counter agruements just “im better then you” which means you have to take your head out of your butt and try to explain to me not with “im better” argument but with FACTS which you can provide how the 9m is better :)
Oh wait you can’t so you won’t reply cuz you can’t :) that is what skill issue looks like lol
Top tier heaters aren’t like the regular missiles like every sidewinder before the 9L, Magic 1s, and R-60s where one pop of CMs, without even changing direction, was enough to defeat it.
As you said, the R-73 has a reduced FOV after launch to help ignore flares so you must manoeuvre and dispense in a way that gets those flares into the FOV. Pre-flaring also makes it significantly harder to get the missile off.
I’ve mentioned it before on the forums but there is a reason modern aerial warfare moved towards standoff missiles being the primary weapon as IR technology has advanced so much that modern IR missiles are practically guaranteed kills.
Just stay away from them. R-73s, 9Ms and AAM3s are perfectly fine as they are.
These guys are really getting pissy that people are learning how to deal with the incredibly strong IRCCM of 9ms. like fk off lol. Sorry you can no longer get free kills at anything you launch at.
It is flareable, You should try different tactics . I have both been killed By R73s and i have fired R73s, they are flareable up until 1 km or so, after that it gets really difficult, but as alfie said above me, you still have a chance of flaring them .
I know it it but when it is closer then 1.5 km it is 90% of the time unflarable while the 9m @sadrootbeer my man flaring 9m is easy while the russians not…
flaring 9m spamming flares for 2 seconds and sharp turn that is it…
while the r73? what can I do if fired from 1.5 km and closer Popping flares and turning does nothing (works 1 in 10)
preflaring kk with my 60 flares would help me a lot really 20 seconds of life…
“flaring 9m spamming flares for 2 seconds and sharp turn that is it…”
Yea thats a load of undersold horseshit and you know it.
For 9ms you gotta start poping a stream of flares to get the seeker head to shut off then turn in a new direction. Is it easy? yea once you know how to do it. Problem is it’s gonna cost like 6-8+ countermeasures and all planes carry like 6 missiles minimum. The other thing is the silent majority of casuals will NOT know how to do this and just die.
And less allies means more enemies up your ass. Less flares means… well less flares.
R73 got a small seeker head so it doesnt see other flares. But the R73 in head ons and side aspects isnt even that bad. Turning off my AB and flaring once or twice has been enough to dodge em.
9M got better irccm and is more lethal in ALL aspects.
R73 has better maneuverability and is far more lethal in the rear aspect.
Thats it… that’s how its balanced. The new meta and play style is gonna be to not let the enemy even get into certain positions over you because the ability to kill is becoming very easy.
Im not even being bias’d or anything because i don’t have either missile yet.
I still think missiles would be far more balanced and easier to defend against if we weren’t fighting in massive 16v16 shitballs. Thats the real issue right now.
Unless you play certain jets, R73 is way harder to counter than 9M from rear side in most of the cases. To flare R73 you need to line up the flares perfectly to blockoff your engine. The best plane to do that is Tornados where you can actually spam flare while flying straight and still fare a R73 launched within 2km from 6 o’clock.
Then you have planes like F15, which is near impossible to flare a R73. It will require the F15 player to go negative G at the beginning, less than 30% throttle, and get the angle right as it is different from each launching point and in a real game it is not feasible. F16 is significantly easier to flare, turn the belly to where the missile is coming and it will do the trick.
Way to deal with 9M is exactly how Fat-Fury mentioned, tap a bunch of flare and turn. Launching angle doesn’t matter as much while each launch angle matters for R73.
Rear aspect 2km, unless you preflared, the FOV actually already shrank when missile is launched so your method would not work. Frontal and sideaspect however will.
i absolutely agree, i find it blatantly unfair that the r73 pulls better, has more range, better irccm, and more explosive mass than aim-9m how is that even fair
Thats not an R73 equivalent by any means however. Aim-9M are totally fine, they could get some fixes yes, just like Magic 2’s, but they’re nowhere near bad as people state it to be.
I know, but that was the missile the US government created that was “better” than the R-73.
I never said they were, though the lock ranges would be quite a major buff for some aircraft, like the Gripen that is currently lacking BVR.
Thats the only really annoying thing Ive found with the 9M. They just dont lock in front aspect unless you are within maybe 2 or 3Km. Aim-9L lock on at far far better ranges, its actually genuinely annoying.
AIM-9X entered in service in 2003 roughly, it better be than a 1984 missile. AIM-9M’s entered in service in 1983, while R-73 entered in service in 1984. AIM-9M is better for long range shots, R-73 is better for close range shots.
While i agree with your point and i think every missile should be fixed, i completly disagree with OP’s and people thinking AIM-9M is a bad missiles.