god i wish
makes even less sense to be not in game tbh
Kinda funny to think the new spaa being added is going to be a massive buff to helis at top tier since you are less likely to run into saclos launchers that can actually kill you. Pantsir wins again I guess.
Ka-52 is not strong, it’s easily fragged by all top SPAA currently in the game. This has been a fact stated by thousands of others with evidence and cross analysis to back up their statements before myself and still stated to this day.
I don’t get why people want to oppose basic reality so much.
@HondaCivici
2- Gun runs are the most common tactic for planes.
1/3- SACLOS/radar is all the SPAA missiles at 12.0, and those are the biggest counter to Ka-52/50 because of their superior range, and have been for 5 years now.
This is well known facts about War Thunder that experts have been saying for years as well as backed up by data.
I do understand if vehicle feel weaker/stronger to you. Diversity in skill and situations can instill those feelings after all.
Hunter in a Ka-52 and Apache will be better than most players.
I know I suffered countless good players in Ka-50s whose Mk1 eyeball could spot me fairly easily back in 2019 - 2020. They would’ve been even more lethal in Lynx with thermals to enhance their already amazing spotting ability.
Either way AH-64E should finish development and added for USA and other users.
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None of which you said addressed any of my points.
it depends on how good the data link for things like IRIS-T/Derby ER are but ultimately being self-guiding will hard counter the things like the Tiger UHT/AH-60/HAD Block II and good luck using laser GBU’s or SAL Brimstones on the Typhoons lmao.
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Found this too, but it’s from DCS
Maybe you can find the original sources
https://forum.dcs.world/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=5135
Found additional photo:
@_Ladies_Man_217
Why should people ignore those lobbying for AH-64E and alleged equipment used by AH-64D?
Do you just oppose adding anything to USA?
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I stated AH-64E should come in with its DIRCM and made basic facts about DIRCM in War Thunder being in the game since at least 2023 and SACLOS entirely defeating it because DIRCM doesn’t impact SACLOS and radar systems.
Those were my only positions in this topic. Any opposition to my statements, when those are my statements, is opposition…
I also made zero opposition to DIRCM pod for AH-64D if it exists cause that’s not my lane.
agm-87 for hueys world be funny
Because that is not what people are criticizing you for. In case you forgot, this is what you stated:
This statement at worst is a lie, and at best, ignorant
@HondaCivici
I don’t see IR AGMs in frag-feeds against helicopters, ever.
I never see videos of peoples’ frag feeds showing IR AGMs fragging helicopters unless it’s the YouTuber themselves doing it.
People as a rule of thumb, based on the observations of hundreds of hours of gameplay, do not fire IR AGMs at helicopters.
I fired a couple at helicopters for screenshot potential a couple years ago, but that’s it.
SACLOS SPAA is just far better against helicopters and SPAA players need the frags far more than planes do.
That and a 20mm Vulcan frags a helicopter just as easily.
6 years of top BR experience as of last month.
I dealt with S-13s being free to spawn.
I dealt with over-performing Vikhrs for 4? years with few SPAA players existing at the same time.
I dealt with Lynx spam when the max SPAA range at that BR was 7km for years.
I dealt with extremely good helicopter players, especially when no SPAA is up.
I’ve cross-analyzed all the helicopters and the SPAA they can face; which is the study I use to come to my conclusions more than anything else.
Ka-52s being immune from AIM-9Ls and onward since at least January 2023 is why I gun run all helicopters as my primary method of engagement, even if doing that against Z19s and Z10s is more dangerous.
Either way, for the topic which matters more than your off-topic portion:
AH-64E should come to the game, and I hope it’s priority.
All of what you said is irrelevant and does not counter any of the points I made. Please refer back to this post in case you forgot:
They really need to lower AH-64s’ BR, there is no point to bring AH-64 in a line up right now, the armament it can bring is less than others and the survival capability is bad. But the major issues of it is the Hellfire, it just bad and can’t do anything at the current BR
“hellfire bad” man it’s a laser AGM with 1200 pen in a situation where you have 4 tanks in front of you you can literally fire 4 missiles with 7 or 8 second intervals to take out the 4 tanks it’s a pretty good AGM (even if the AKD-10 remains the best AGM in my opinion)
for me the real problem is your gameplay not the Br or the armament of the helicopters at the moment, for example do you deactivate your radar to not turn on the RWR of the enemy helicopter, do you approach in combustion position or with the thrust at 0% to make a minimum of noise, all the helicopters are dangerous if played well or maybe very bad too, I do not want to give an argument of authority with my almost 8,000 hours of play
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but the main fault of helicopters are the players who play them badly with bad tactics, you just have to give the same technological equipment to everyone including the DIRCM
“AH-64E should come to the game, and I hope it’s priority.”
.how many times have I seen Ka 52s flying at 1,000 meters that thought they were MIG 25s and then ate a SACLOS missile, .how many times have I seen Ka 52s that I laser-distinguished to hit them with an AKD 10 and the Ka 52 remained motionless while the Ka 52 has a LWR, how many times have I seen Ka 52s approaching 2 km from the combat zone to kill 9K127 Vikhr that have a 10 km range, how many times have I seen Ka 52s farm me with 4 or 5 missiles and just not understand that “dude I have APS just change target…” and many other things a little silly in style but these problems are not only related to the Ka 52 all the helicopters are still because some players do not know how to play tactically
Wanting AH-64E for 12.3 does mean anything other than I want other tech trees to have F&F helicopters.
I already know how to play Ka-52 and Apache, which is why I stopped playing them personally.
It’s wasted spawn points for a playstyle I get nothing out of anymore, so I’ll play them in PVE when I want to enjoy them.
It’s also takes the longest of any capstone ATGM to reach it’s target by a fair margin (for a number of reasons), so the counterparts could engage said four targets in the same time or less.
It is at minimum a baseline of performance, and it doesn’t help that things that could be done to improve their performance aren’t being done for whatever gameplay related reason (e.g. add AGM-114L / -144R), Gaijin sitting on various reports (many, & fixing Longbow radar) or gameplay abstraction / convention (Lofting / angle of attack, flight path) and more.
yes of course, which won’t change much when we see the effectiveness of spikes sometimes as much as playing hellfire, F&F for all nations in any case all the helicopters that are equipped with it IRL would be a good thing to give the same cards to everyone