The “MMW would result in mass TKs” too me is the weakest possible argument. Because even with the Brimstones “head towrads this area and find your own target” mode. It was capable of identifying target types iirc and would be pre-programmed to go for specific targets. Meaning a Leopard and a T-72 could be near each other and if it was programmed to go for theT-72, it wouldnt target the Leopard.
But just like SARH or ARH missiles we have in air. Just manually pick which target they should be fired at first and it is no issue unless you;ve been stupid. At which point, they are no more dangerous than even SAL guided weapons
brimstone has a higher resolution than the longbow FCR the longbow cant identify a tank or spaa model, it can only tell difference between different types of vehicles eg spaa, tank etc but not go into specifics of whether it is an abrams or a t72
Yes, but it where Brimstone might be fired off from well beyond line of sight maybe as much as 60+km away with Brimstone 2 and 3. The hellfires wouldnt be.
I think they have a LOAL mode, but it likely wouldnt be used if there was any concerns about friendlies being anyhwere close by. Instead it would rely upon the radar on the Apache or even use a direct line of sight mode. Both of which would have inherrent IFF properties.
So again, not necessarily any more dangerous than an IR guided missiles used in the same way
yes but our problem is that dumb players will be dumb and while the nctr if it was that good could prevent it, i have a feeling a lot of those dumb players wouldnt bother to visually check especially if theyre keeping the radar above terrain but rest under the terrain
well the way you iff in the apache is by visual. the radar itself cant iff, youll have to zoom through the camera
im sure good players would always do this but the dumb people ruin it for us
Simplest solution to that though would be to limit MMW missiles to LOBL and not allow for radar only guidance for the Apache, which would be fair.
No one is expecting the LOAL mode for the Brimstones for example and would be perfectly happy with the LOBL mode that requires manually targeting each missile onto each target one at a time.
iff through nctr could be probable if the radar had enough resolution to tell between a t72 and abrams but it can’t, so it can’t really iff through the nctr.
They didn’t add a standalone iff interrogator to the apache because ground vehicles didn’t really have iff transponders themselves therefore they wouldn’t be able to identify themselves
remember, the target classification here is between vehicle types but not between vehicle models, unfortunately
i’d be happy with lobl/loal through the camera system too. i guess we still won’t have it before aps is more common on top tier
Perhaps, but we already have AH-60s with 16 Spikes and Rafale/Su-30s slinging 6x 30km AGMs with IOG without issue. Its hard to understand what makes MMW so significantly more powerful than those. Heck, probably a bug, but i managed to maintain laser lock on someone hiding smoke a little while back and allowed me to nail them with a PW4.
gaijin logic, i guess it would add more outrage that we have even more “op weapons” when we dont have sufficient spaa yet they still keep adding other such weapons which really contradicts this
we may be able to iff targets with the ah-64e’s radar or so i hope. it is improved, the resolution could be good enough to tell between t-72 and abrams.
However i am saying without knowledge as i haven’t done research on that.
I doubt the brimstone missiles internal radar would have a higher resolution than the Longbow radar mounted to helicopter. It probably does have a significantly better resolution than the internal radar of the 114L.
Radar resolution is very dependent on antenna size and even more so with very low wavelengths, and the antenna that can be mounted on the AH-64 is a significantly larger and higher operating power unit than that within the brimstone missile.
Additionally I have not seen any source to back up the Longbow being unable to implement NCTR beyond the lose classification like you are stating.
No idea what the Apaches radar is like, but the Brimstone’s is apparently “near optical wavelengths” or something. its rediculously good in terms of resolution. Where the Apache has it beat is probably range and being able to track multiple targets at once whilst the Brimstones would be more like a camera.
The problem with this approach is that this severly limits their useable range. From the sources I’ve read, the mmw radars seekers on these missiles only have around an estimated 3km of acquisition range for a tank sized target with an upper limit of 5km at most. I even found one mmw radar with a more exact figure, which was like 1.7km, but it was a bit of an older model iirc, but that at least paint a picture. This is maybe workable for helicopters, but in case of the Brimstone on aircraft, it wouldn’t be that nice.
Unless they will allow you to lock onto the ground like with TV munitions (which for instance allows the AGM-65A to be used beyond ~3km). I don’t think they can just lock onto the ground like that however, but given that some of the TV weapons shouldn’t be able to either, maybe we can just see it work exactly like these TV weapons once implemented (except they’d ignore light foliage and smoke).
I kinda understand that but the size differences between A truck and an IFV for example are pretty similar between the size difference between western MBT to a russian one. so if it is percise enough to distinguish those it should be able to determine if an MBT is russian/chinesse
finally given what we know about the radars frequency and antenna size a proper NCTR is definitely possible
A LOBL mode could just be making it so you have to lock the FCS radar onto a target before launch and the missile flies on IOG until it finds a target around that point
Using IOG would be using LOAL, which was exactly what we’re supposed to be avoiding right? Difference with IOG and a ground point lock is that you need LOS, which is another point the devs made: LOAL + NLOS is too powerful. LOAL + LOS however is already seen in game on any TV weapon, the LOS part makes the LOAL part a whole lot less effective.
I guess this wouldn’t be too different from TV weapons using point lock. Maybe that’s what Movran already meant, I kinda got confused however by this wording:
and not allow for radar only guidance for the Apache
Perhaps, but some of the wording i’ve seen suggests that the Brimstone can just be designated a target prior to launch and it will just engage that target. I would assume there is some limit to that range. But I doubt it would be point blank range.
But this is gaijin we are talking about, and they can do whatever they want. I just think totally and completely removing any form of FnF from an FnF weapon is always worse than whatever limitation or mitigation they have to apply to make FnF fair but still be FnF.