AH-64d and longbow hellfires

Wait it does? From what I have seen about the E its just upgrades to the radar’s capabilities at tracking sea targets and eliminating ground clutter. And have you ever used Spikes? Because I thought they were ground only.

Spikes are in game on multiple helicopters if I recall correctly (French Eurocopter, Mangusta, Israeli Blackhawk)

It will not ignore the multi-spectral smoke formations found on NATO tanks. Not that it matters as smoke is already able to be ignored with Vihkrs.

They could do this right now and have it be 90% realistic. Just handwave that Soviets “borrowed” some NATO smoke grenades.

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Yeah, or make it so that smoke effects mmV.

Either solution I think is potentially more acceptable than blacklisting the entire weapon system from the game at the moment. No FnF on the Apache really sucks.

(I also hate Brimstones not having mmV but not derailing this thread on that)

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We dont have it in-game. Adding it in-game would be a nice step.

“In-game” it doesn’t matter. It would affect nothing currently. They could literally just code the MMW seekers the exact same as IIR seekers currently are and nothing would change.

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They could but i dont want that.

Why? It’s the same as hand waving “Oh the smoke in top tier tanks is now Multi-spectral”

It isnt exactly the same. They would have different clutter interference. They would have to also make the heli’s radar IR.

If they model that, then it could work.

The 114L would break the game. Another option would be to add the agm 179 to the ah1z. That would aslo make the z more relevant.

So your point is, in order to deal with the powerful russian CAS, is to make the already powerful ameircan CAS even more strong?

Does this seem familiar? I don’t you are in a position to complain at all

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Yeah it does. It feels like thats me but what’s your point? One of the major problems with top tier is that russian SPAA is better than every other SPAA in terms of range, and now with the introduction of yet another Kh-38mt slinger its gotten even worse. So they either have 2 options.
1: make other nation’s SPAA on par with the Pantsir. Which may I remind you has 12 mile range for its missiles, and 20 mile range for its radar. But they have seemed to not care about SPAA so theres only one other option.
2: give other nations more CAS ability to offset the ability of russian CAS to simply steamroll a game.

I would be completely fine with the Su-34 and Su-25sm3 having such good armament if other nations simply got equivalent weapons or SPAA to counter it. Because currently all a Su-34 has to do to get literal free kills is spawn in with 6 Kh-38mt and there you go. And adding or improving SPAA is simply not what gaijin has done, contrary to what the community wants, so sadly option #1 seems the only way to go from here.

In game khrisantema radar can’t ignore trees

I know this is what they said, but since gaijin is no stranger to just making stuff up, couldn’t they just… make 114Ls require a lock before launch? So functionally they’d just be FnF Hellfires in the same way that Spikes work, with the same no-LOAL restriction that Spikes have.

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Probably. Though, brimstones have that exact mode. A LOBL mode (mode 2) but they still didn’t do that. Hellfires I don’t think have a LOAL mode but instead can be targeted using the Apache radar which doesn’t necessarily need line of sight

All Hellfire II models and later do. It’s mostly to allow them to Loft and relock after passing though clouds (and allow for firing from behind cover) so it doesn’t need to perfectly accurate but a designation source is still needed for precision.

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I’m not sure if the initial L models had LOAL functionality. But since atleast the mid 2000’s they have had that function.

They’re also data link capable so they can be guided by a non firing air or ground station.

That’s how it works in dcs the missile us pretty stupid it can’t go autononous without preliminary targeting

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They do.