1st: I don’t have the F-16C so I can’t speak for that, but usually whenever I see an F-16C it either gets smoked by a Pantsir or some jet.
2nd: The only way I have found me and my play group can kill a good Pantsir player with CAS is just by overwhelming them or ambushing them.
3rd: The amount of times I have direct impacted a Ka-50/52 with M830a1, M829a2, a AIM-7m, and it doesn’t kill it is insane. Probably dozens of times at this point.
4th: The E variant of the apache mainly upgraded its engines and the radar’s ability to track sea targets. In game only the engine upgrades matter as the radar has no purpose without the AGM-114L or other radar guided missiles, which is for the former is not in game and for the latter it is not equipped with.
Or maybe, just maybe if you don’t want other CAS vehicles to get improved capabilities they could add or improve SPAA that actually can compete with the Pantsir.
1- Then that pilot is flying their F-16C like a drone instead of like an F-16.
2- You go to 9000 meters, and drop ordnance on them.
3- Okay. Anecdotes aren’t helpful to the fact Kamovs still fire very, very dumb AGMs.
4- AH-64E has SPIKE and other AGM integration.
Yep, that tracks with what I know. I dont know about JAGM though.
In either case. I reckon ARH AGMs, such as Hellfire or JAGM will make an appearance with the AH-64Es if/when they are added. In the meantime. Im hoping for some fixes for the Hellfires we already have.
Unless they just give AGM-114L Placeholder Spike seekers
Please no. I want weapons to be fully added once the game is ready rather than give ahistorical lobotomized versions because people keep begging for new toys.
At which point the Pantsir will be powercrept so hard it will be as useful as an ADATS, and Gaijin won’t have added any better SPAA to any nation because they’re afraid of a redo of the Pantsir controversy.
Wait it does? From what I have seen about the E its just upgrades to the radar’s capabilities at tracking sea targets and eliminating ground clutter. And have you ever used Spikes? Because I thought they were ground only.
Either solution I think is potentially more acceptable than blacklisting the entire weapon system from the game at the moment. No FnF on the Apache really sucks.
(I also hate Brimstones not having mmV but not derailing this thread on that)
“In-game” it doesn’t matter. It would affect nothing currently. They could literally just code the MMW seekers the exact same as IIR seekers currently are and nothing would change.
Yeah it does. It feels like thats me but what’s your point? One of the major problems with top tier is that russian SPAA is better than every other SPAA in terms of range, and now with the introduction of yet another Kh-38mt slinger its gotten even worse. So they either have 2 options.
1: make other nation’s SPAA on par with the Pantsir. Which may I remind you has 12 mile range for its missiles, and 20 mile range for its radar. But they have seemed to not care about SPAA so theres only one other option.
2: give other nations more CAS ability to offset the ability of russian CAS to simply steamroll a game.
I would be completely fine with the Su-34 and Su-25sm3 having such good armament if other nations simply got equivalent weapons or SPAA to counter it. Because currently all a Su-34 has to do to get literal free kills is spawn in with 6 Kh-38mt and there you go. And adding or improving SPAA is simply not what gaijin has done, contrary to what the community wants, so sadly option #1 seems the only way to go from here.
