AGM114Ls The US Fire and Forget Hellfire We dont have

And?

There are at least 3 solutions I can’t think of to mitigate that issue. Denying any form of FnF “because you can carry more” is a stupid argument

That is mode 3. Not mode 2

Why the hell people think brimstone is SAL or LOAL is just stupid.

Haha, typical soviet main, though you do think the Su-34 is a weaker CAS aircraft than the tornado Gr4 so what do I expect

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and the British aswell

Just add AGM-179

If ur still dying to missile with giant smoke trail and cant smoke in time, then idk what to tell you. Rafale with its Hammers is far more dangerous than any Kh-38 on Su-30 is.

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And what next?

PW4s are more powerful than KH38MTs because GPS isn’t affected by smoke?

What would you do with another dozen Brimstones the plane can legitimately carry ?
Restricting it to only 6 LOALs would make people mad sooner rather than later as that’s yet another artificial limitation, that would lead to yet another rabbit hole with endless discussion if planes should have 6, 8 or 12 LOALs to be balanced.

Gaijin directly talked about LOAL missiles in the post you linked, so I’m talking about those as well.

Neither do I nor Gaijin think SU-34 is a weaker plane than Gr4, hence one being at 13.0 and another at 12.3.

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Artificially nerfing the typhoon to brimstone 1s and sal only is a far far larger nerf than limiting it to 6x FnF Brimstone 2s + 12x SAL Brimstone 2s

If that cannot be done the give it 18x SAL+GPS Spear3s. For there is no argument that exists for justifying sal-brimstones 1s on the typhoon when KH-38MT exists

And that is Gaijin spreading misinformation. They wrote that post as if mode 3 was the only implementation of MMW. Both Brimstone and AGM-114L have LOBL-type modes of operation

And as we have seen with AJ168 or BOL they have no issue artificially nerfing/fundamentally altering something for the sake of game implementation. MMW could be modeled exactly like IR guidance if they wanted

Why do people want more cancerous additions to the game? FnF anti-tank munitions are inherently frustrating and unfun to play against.

SPAA systems which are almost automated IRL still have to sit and stare at their target to even have a chance of fighting back and we want to add an Apache with 16 FnF Hellfires (which got buffed with the Mavericks remember).

Insane.

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Because some nations have it but others do not. That is extremely unfair. It should have come to all at the same time and not to only a few. At the moment the Apache for example is worthless to be taken when compared to say the tiger or Ah-60 that can use FnF AGMs.

Likewise the typhoon lacks the same A2G performance as the Su30 or Rafale for no reason

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opfor = lets make up fictional stuff and it’ll be AOK

nato: lets just nerf them to shit

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We shouldn’t get any new CAS weapons until Gaijin adds better SPAA (which is coming, but we don’t yet know how good it will all be).

Alternatively, Gaijin could buff add those (and similar weapons), but restrict them from being used in ground battles. I think this is the best solution because ground RB is not ready for anything that’s LOAL, or more advanced FnF munitions.

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What so good about them-I know the basics but what are they specifically?

IRIS-T SLS would not be effective at all
12km range and 8000m effective altitude
Type 625E is better around 15km effectiveness
SLAMRAAM depend on how Gaijin implement it, if irl its basically AIM-120 slingers but on ground

I think the SLS is going to be entirely for figuring out how to model IIR not great in terms of range but very potent at short range. Once that’s figured out they can add the extended range version

hmm maybe
hopefully

Its the best possible way I can think of to testing IIR seekers prior to their introduction both on heavier SPAA and on aircraft

How fast would Brimstone 2 be ?

They pretty much explained why they don’t want to add the missile with it’s most advanced mode. Having 16 FnFs would also be too much for them, and obviously Gaijin doesn’t want to experiment with mixes of FnF and SAL modes of the same weapon.

Some nations get stabilization much earlier than others.
Some get radar AA with HE-VT much earlier than others.
Some get 13km target lock IR AGMs much earlier than others.
Some get helicopters with FnF weapons while others do not.

Good thing we have asymmetrical balancing in the game so not everything needs to be a copy paste of it’s contemporaries.

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Assuming that the reflector is parabolic; and has a frequency of 94 GHz, and a 180mm diameter

Theta, zero ( degrees ) ~= (70 * 0.00318928)/ 0.18 = 0.2232496/0.18 = 1.2402755556 ~= 1.25 degrees

Thus at 5km to find side length A;

5000 * Sin(1.25)

~ 109.04 meters

It covers ~110 meters (+/- 55m off boresight).

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Wouldnt it be +/-110 meters? as that formula uses the Theta in reference to the normal.

Maybe, the angle that the formula is to the first null.

The issue is the game use Half-Power Beam Width for FoV calculations so may differ, I’d have to go look at my textbook, for this to make sure I’m not missing a step somewhere.

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