AGM-114 Hellfire - Badly underperforming?

Smth like that. Still idk for what you need it in game.

on JAGM, so it actualy does damage to light vehicles like it should

IDK why they added M908, I guess its good for overpressuring AAs and stuff but you can normally just mg them

I don’t understand at all what will change. Do you want it to work like APHE?

Idk, for this maybe.

it should work either like that or airburst blast frag against soft targets, there is evidence for both being options

It useless in game. IIRC, sweden RB-05A not always can kill Shilka with HOB. Only maybe to counter APS.

This needs to be checked.

the bugreport manager acknowledged it exists and can IRL, just said that there isnt a feature like that in game despite there being multiple

eg: M908, changing fuse setting, or Vkhir missile

M908 is an example of HEAT that detonates after penning armor
to do this you could just change the fuse settings from contact to pen depth and should also have proxy
and vikhr is an example of a weapon that automatically changes its fusing settings for different targets in game (despite not doing so IRL)

To do this, it must be proven that it can work with the HOB sensor against air targets. I’m 99% sure the reason is this.

They also didn’t add HOB for AASM and for JDAM.

BUUUUUUUT… All artillery shells with proximity…

Interesting. I wonder what the modernization consists of

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If I had to throw absolutely unfounded guesses out there, I would posit the following as potential lines of enquiry;

  • Refactor the warhead, optimized for the use a more modern filler e.g. AFX-745 or AFX-757, than the current PBXN-9.

  • Revised Liner (Aluminum) material for improved After-armor, Pyrophoric effect.

  • Inclusion of a Sleeve of Preformed Fragmentation, Sintered powder charge or alternately scouring the outer jacket for optimized Blast / Fragmentation effect.

  • If Unit Cost, and Blast / soft target defeat were not an issue, develop a compounded-Tulip Liner formfactor to wholesale integration the pre-cursor into the Main charge, whist still maintaining the tandem impact effect.

Otherwise I think that that the recent learnings and developments related to recent revisions to the FGM-148 Javlin may be transferred.

Aluminum not good for pen, iirc?

Depends, you gain a lot of latitude for tactical targets (e.g. T-72 / T-80) with the swap from Trumpet to Tulip. It’s not like the AGM-65 was lacking in impact anyway even with the HEAT warhead.

It really depends on where the exact line is drawn for the Hard Target set (e.g. Ship / Bunker) effect is drawn.

It would basically trade some capability against Complexes and Ships, for much improved Anti-Material & Personnel performance. Also nothing would prevent the IBFS warhead variant from being loaded.

But again is somewhat strange considering that the JAGM was meant to unify the Tandem and MAC warhead variant’s target sets, so splitting it back into two would defeat half the point of the shift to the -114R / AGM-179.

Maybe they changed Fragmentation body? Like, on hellfire K2A and K2B… Who knows…

Also, for JAGM we have statement that it can defeat target with APS with HOB, so… maybe some thing to make jet more efficient when it in air?

It’s that they specify Latest Anti-Armor Technology Advancements. Which makes me think that it might just be porting over the changes made with the “Spiral 2” (FGM-148F) MPWH warhead.

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2017/army/2017javelin.pdf?ver=2019-08-19-113850-147

Only real way to do that would be to swap to an EFP / SFF warhead, it would certainly be an option. but performance would likely be degraded somewhat due to warhead weight & size limitations, causing reduced Liner Caliber and Charge ratio, in comparison to HEAT designs.

Not a bad trade off, but would move a fair way towards the defeat of single targets

Well, than it will be useless with direct hit. Uh… Idk. IIRC all EFP things it top attack, so…

Okay, well, it doesn’t matter. For games, if there were changes, they weren’t very significant.

Now, I’m more interested in SDB II warhead.

I’m curious on why we’re doing this. I understand that this significantly simplifies procruement and logistics but how does a JAGM compare to a Maverick or a TOW when those two are meant for completely different things?

Is it really that good or is or good enough to justify replacement?

Idk. JAGM certainly cannot replace TOW, cuz reloading a 50 kg missile is a rather complex process.

Romeo hellfire can receive type of target through the laser codes. Does anybody know, if this only changes the fuse delay/advance (HOB) or the Romeo warhead has different types of warhead initiation like: center initiation for Blast-fragmentation effect or peripheral initiation for HEAT effect?

Thanks

Not entirely sure, myself.

There is an existing Patent(US 6,393,991 B1, [2002]) that refences an alternate warhead for FGM-148, that may well be relevant to a future variant of the JAGM.

But I don’t think it’s mentioned in ADA362443, but then again the referenced warhead design doesn’t incorporate a precursor charge. which we know the AGM-114R / AGM-179 does.

“This Blast Frag Warhead does not use the Hellfire precursor shaped charge. The
precursor was removed from the missile to reduce weight and complexity.”