I might quit the game with how gaijin monkey paw’d every single player wish.
Main nations get away with ridiculous loadouts that just ruin the game for everyone else. The more people play your nation, the easier to play it is, the more gaijin gives you leeways. Only premiums and unusable garbage received the new feature in minor nations. As if gaijin just outsources everything 2 weeks before yet another slopdate to then “fix” it in 2 weeks of dev server.
A-10, Su-39, J-22 and other cave dweller vehicles are extremely frustrating to fight against.
What’s the point in adding cool vehicles like M-346FA if you’re going to either nerf it’s stats to match it with “equivalent”, forget about it or nerf it to the ground. Not even talking about missing armament options for minor nations’ vehicles, at least adjust their BRs accordingly. If Su-39 gets away with being 12.7, make M-346 12.7 as well. Be consistent. Why Bison gets to have R-77 as an option but MiG-21-2000 doesn’t get it’s derbies? Premium and more played nation Vs new squadron vehicle nobody plays.
There are many ways to improve on it, features like that should not be rushed. Hope comments can help with ideas.
My only issue with the damn thing at this point is using a custom loadout that increases the BR doesn’t actually tell you that it increased the BR until you’re in the damn game. That’s got to be the dumbest damn thing ever. How in the hell do you not tell the player that the BR has increased because of the weapons loadout until they are in the game?
Huh? It tells you in the modification menu not the loadout menu.
mouse over the BR range selector button and it shows what weapons are in what BRs in the bottom right corner of each modification (mostly F-2A ADTW seems to have a bug where it doesn’t show ASMs)
See and that’s the issue. I wasn’t ever in the modifications. I right clicked the aircraft from the hanger, selected secondary weapons. Made my weapons loadout with the new available weapons and loaded them. And went back to the hangar. My BR never changed. Joined a match. Said I couldn’t fly out with my loadout because it wasn’t within the BR range.
Rushed outsourced update simulator.
Lmao it legit says nope you cannot play
But that was after I was already in the game in which I queued up with the invalid loadout. It didn’t give me any warning beforehand that with my current loadout it should be 14 rather than 13. The only place to change the BR is on the modification screen.
Yeah I don’t like the way the UI is set up for the feature. Being only able to change the BR in the modification screen. It’s limiting. If I change the weapons loadout to a loadout that has the weapons that bring up the BR, it should show the new BR if that’s the selected loadout.
Having now read the patch notes it does say what. BR is changed by what weapons on what planes. But how many people actually take the time to read the patch notes. I think having the BR changed automatically based on the selected weapons loadout is more intuitive.
I also think this should work the other way. If I go slick and only have guns I think I should get a lower BR. If I take mods off I think my BR should go down. Thoughts on that?
2x R-77 on an Su-39 is okay for 12.7 but any argument behind other weak platforms needing to be at 13.0 because of X weapon has gone.
But the R-27ER at 11.7 is just insane
I imagine it will be rolled out bit by bit for other tech tree vehicles. Adding dynamic BRs to every vehicle at once is a monumental task.
That said, I’m not a bit fan of the Su-25/39 changes…especially those for the premium Su-39. Seems like Gaijin are trying to move some extra units of a poorly selling premium by purposefully making it 0.3-0.7 BR lower than it should be with R-27s and R-77s.
My problem is how the BR loadouts are pretty much just arbitrary chosen in such a way that it’s purely (and explicitly) a mechanic where players can nerf loadouts to undertier their aircraft. These loudouts are not based on any historical basis of an actual load that the aircraft might have carried in a particular period, but rather just whatever Gaijin thinks is balanced. It’s just further worsening the problem of aircraft not having their correct weapons by letting players manipulate their BR by taking ahistorical loadouts.
Gaijin should have historical presets. For example, the F-16ADF, instead of having the bizarre and completely anachronistic combination of AIM-9L and AIM-120, should have a 13.0 1980s option with AIM-9M and AIM-7M and a 13.7 with AIM-120A and AIM-9M.
Aircraft that have been split into “early” and “late” aircraft should be combined into one. For example, the Tornado F3 should have an 80s configuration with the 9L and Super Temp, an Operation Granby configuration with 9Ms and SuperTemps, and the AOP with AMRAAMs and eventually ASRAAMs. But as a single vehicle, not the two vague ones right now.
Finally, BR loadouts for strike aircraft based on air-to-air weapons should be based simply on if the aircraft is equipped for an air-to-ground or air-to-air mission. Short-range IR missiles for defense are fine on a CAS loudout, and long-range air-to-air weapons should be separate. Not this “oh I won’t bring in any missiles so my 80s aircraft fights 50s ones” nor BR loudouts being min-maxed to bring the best weapons on the worst platforms at the lowest possible BR.
Of course. They never said that that it’s final in its current state. This is only a first set of aircraft where this was implemented, which will serve to gain experience how to best deal with it and expand the feature to more types later.
Well, I think one should plan ahead: Check the loadout and BR you want to play before joining a battle.
I for my part will not “jump around” BR’s in individual aircraft, but set them up as I want them, and fly them there.
My Examples (Sim EC player):
- Buccaneer S.2B: Removed AIM-9L and AGM’s, as I need it only to bomb and against ships, lower BR.
- A-10A’s: Keep full load and BR.
- F-5E (CH): Upgraded missiles to all aspect AIM-9P-4’s, increased BR.
I expect at the beginning there will be situations where one stumbles into a battle with an undesired loadout/BR-combo, but once we’ve set up and configured our preferred combos, that will settle…
That’s the only one I’ve checked so far that I don’t agree with. Those 27ER’s are too powerful at such a low BR, violating the clear cut in this regard we had before.