Sure they did, and the main way that Tiger IIs were tactics that don’t apply in game…
In War Thunder you can’t spawn HE against an upper plate and give the crew concussions, nor can you destroy optics and get something meaningful out of it.
Also the fact that crew skill doesn’t matter like it did irl…
Yea, very easy to justify this “balance” when all these factors are ignored, isn’t it?
bruh, a SPAA with only 25mm*2 guns and open top cover? its even cant pen the side of tiger
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Yet here you are defending Gaijin business model against the OP .
Then defending it against me when I criticize the SAV. No wonder I am confused.
My observation was two fold. Gaijin should take more care when introducing new vehicles in certain BRs as they make other types redundant.
Gaijin will introduce a vehicle, take a pile of orders and cash then ram it up a full BR over time and make your purchase worthless or worth less. You disagreed, twice. Your prerogative to but no point getting arsey with me when I call you out on it and supporting anti player discissions.
I can only comment on what is there, sorry if that is offensive but I am making what I think is a logical point interested in personally arguments.
Yeah, also, JA/AJ-37’s facing F-15’s, sounds realistic to me, supersonic Vs supersonic, one more maneuverable than the other, one gets no* tracers and little ammo, one gets a almost endless drum of 20mm rotary cannon ammo, AIM-120 v AIM-120’s, yet, the F-15 is multi role, while the Viggen requires a Air or Strike specific variant. Maybe the most and yet least balanced match up possible with historical MM.
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So you’re getting mad at me for what you did?
not only this, the historical match will be a big problem for nearly all the game
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No not even slightly. You assuming I am getting mad at anybody is in your head only.
Yeah, it will also introduce a meta, and if you don’t have the meta before they fix it, your kind of worthless at that historical range.
Sorry, not mad, your saying that I did what you were doing, by asking for something, then proactively protesting it after I give a solution. Even when you agree with it not a minute earlier.
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cant find a way to fix the meta vehicles, cause there’s no reliability issues, which means proto type and laboratorial type vehicles with imagination beyond the times will definitely be the meta in that time, just like you cant find a normal way in a WWII vehicles to kill a maus in 1V1
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Suggesting anybody who is having their favorite BR ruined by premium spam leave the BR and play elsewhere is your solution? I state you must be Gaijins biggest fan boy to accept it all and you get upset?
I think you best re read what we said to each other, you are confused.
To go over it .I agree with the OP regarding immersion. Its a shame we lost that, but we did a long time ago.
The spam of modern vehicles at lower BR is no longer just about immersion though, it is now about game play and the fact WW2 tanks in what is a mostly WW2 BR are now redundant not only to HE firing 60s artillery but fast light dart throwers that seem impervious to AP fired by heavies.
I don’t think we can go to historical match making but Gaijin do have an issue emerging now when trying to fill gaps in newer nations with late cold war in predominantly WW2 eras.
I think it is just a poor crossover point that could and should be done better.
Apologies for any upset that may have caused not was intended, its just my observation.
Well, seeing as how I do enjoy low tier sometimes, and Top Tier too, It’s hard to play when your getting Spammed by Turms-T and Leo 2 Pz.Btl. as well as the M1A2 KVT and Click Bait, but it’s like you said, and I’ve said, part of gaijins horrid business model of “progress or be left behind” or in this case “buy a premium or be left behind” just remember when you get mad or happy about anything like that, it’s Gaijin just pulling your strings, that’s why I’m a mostly a F2P player.
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I think there was a time when my unhappiness in the game came down to my lack of skill and knowledge but as of late I am not so sure anymore. I did think I had cracked it before the last couple of updates and I was really enjoying it especially with Germany/USA at 5.7 BR. Then it forced 6BR upon me and 7 in the almost constant uptier ,then the M109 spam. Seems to be one step forward two steps back for me lately. I can only brace myself for the horrors of the next update.
Okay. Enjoy your M48s vs T-72s. Enjoy your strv m/31 vs T-55s. Or should we just remove all of Sweden because it’s army in WT never went to war? Should we remove every prototype in the game for a historical MM? Okay, that’s more than half of the vehicles ingame gone.
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er…yes fine.Do that
Er …yes fine by me.
Good now we can have a better game with those that remain. You sorted that issue out :)
my brother in christ that already happens
I’m not sure if you’re pretending to be silly or if you really agree with this matter🤔
That’s your problem
Let’s see here
VK 3002 (M) Prototype precursor to the Panther Tank completely different gun and armor being a lot weaker since it is a prototype. BR-5.0
Fighting M4A1 (76) W(Short 76mm), M4A2 (76) W, M4A3 (76) W and M4A3E2 (76) W(short 76mm).
None of these are 75 mm so you should have no difficulty engaging a Proto Panther tank unless you are blindly driving in a straight line playing blind. Which is entirely your fault since you played yourself.
Even then the VK Proto Panther tank in a down would be facing 4.0’s, 4.3’s, and 4.7’s which would have the penetration to pen it frontally. Due to its armor as I’ve stated being weak. If you can’t kill it frontally then smoke the tank and back away and try to flank it or wait for it to get in effective firing range.
M4A2, T14 which is a glorified Sherman, Jumbo, Cobra King which is just a jumbo copy paste (although both of these have REALLY good armor if you angle, but we’re talking about the guns here so…), Calliope if you’re crazy enough to have that, Chaffee as well because there’s no light tank for the US after 3.7 until 2 BRs higher, all of these are 75mm guns that cannot do much to Panthers from the front, if you’re lucky like the Jumbos and M4A2 you can take APCR which can much more reliably pen the gunners viewport on the gun mantlet and take out the commander and gunner, sometimes you get extra lucky and get the cannon breech. Oh and there’s also the Ram II which is again a glorified Sherman, albeit this time with a smaller gun than the 75 and still can’t pen the Proto-Panthers UFP.
The fact that you had to choose the weakest Panther to even compare against the 75 Shermans is pretty funny. At least the 76 guns can go through the same spot on Panthers with the APHE, but unfortunately the 75 APHE has barely 100mm of pen, so that makes it very 50/50 when shooting the viewport.
I agree, the 76mm guns have absolutely no trouble going through the VKs armor at almost any angle. Nobody should be “…blindly driving in a straight line playing blind…,” nice grammar there btw.
As for the “Even then the VK Proto Panther tank in a down would be facing 4.0’s, 4.3’s, and 4.7’s which would have the penetration to pen it frontally” part, it literally takes about 5 seconds to go to the armor inspector and see that this is completely false. 75mm AP, APHE, and APCR cannot go through the front armor anywhere except the previously mentioned spot that applies to all panthers except the F and Panther II.
“If you can’t kill it frontally then smoke the tank and back away and try to flank it or wait for it to get in effective firing range” my brother in Christ have you even played American tanks? I can count on one hand how many Shermans get smoke grenades, and that’s excluding my thumb, pinkie, ring and middle finger. If you’re taking smoke shells on tanks with such a fast reload like that on the Sherman, then that is A: your own choice, but B: a mistake.
So how about next time let’s actually take a look at the tech tree before we assume everything can just pen the weakest version of a tank, yeah?