true , no one talks about lumr :D
It can be fired in a infrared mode, NLOS is just another one of its modes.
People: AGM-114L vs Vikhr M
Meanwhile Z-10:
I know it is rude to interrupt the discussion, but the Z-10 is honestly one of the most subpar top tier, except for apaches, discussions for FnF for it should be the priority.
Lack of digital RWR, inmanuverable, limited AT potentials, only redeeming factor being the AAM which was nerfed and still mythsized by the forum.
The only thing I agree with is the awful RWR. The game doesn’t tell you but AKD-10s have a range of 9.2km, extremely long motor burn time, currently no missile physics making it very agile and the Z-10 itself is incredibly agile for it’s size.
But yeah the RWR is crippling, I just use the JH-7A instead if I have the SP.
If brimstones get added im going to have to do the UK tree… dont make me do that lol
Come to the light side :P
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that would be so fun in ground rb with a tornado lol
Yep… Though I personally want them so I can finally get my revenge on the Convoys in Sim
YES i hate those things…
4x ALARM to deal with Any radar guided SPAAG and then 12x Brimstone to deal with the rest of the convoy including the SIDAM-25s :P
nom nom nom.
Would almost take that (with the full A2G loadout) over the Typhoon I think
18 Brims on the EF is also nice
not to forget u would still be able to do Air comb
Who engages with hellfires from even 8km ? Nobody
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Yeah, but I reckon we are a long way off from something like the Typhoon FGR4
True but still one can dream
yep
Why have you not grinded the British tree yet?!
Z-10 is in a good state, especially compared with how good other Chinese helicopters were before (Z-19 keeps dominating ground sim battles, btw).
I can understand the lack of a better RWR; it sounds strange on a top-tier helicopter, but everything else is nonsensical.
It has average maneuverability; the roll is good but lacks a little bit of pitch; nothing relevant compared with any other helicopter, but if you compare it with the Z-19, of course it’s worse; this one has handling that breaks the rules of physics, so it doesn’t count.
AT potential is also good; ADK-9 is faster and snappier; it’s easier to 1vs1 an AA compared to Hellfires; and then you have ADK-10, which is slower for sure, but it has almost 10 km of range and oneshot everything it touches.
TY-90 instead keeps hitting incredibile shots on my end by being kind of weak only on top tier jets.
Sounds balanced to me.
I don’t think it would be especially so, the MI-28NM is the only Heli that can carry it that is currently in game so with out the satellite link pod it can only use lock-on before launch which would reduce its range to the capture range of its seeker, to get the full 14km range it requires a 3rd party data link, so it would be limited to a similar range as other IR seekers. It also only has single or duel launch rails so it be limited to a max of 4 missiles on the MI-28NM half the number of other FnF helis.
It’s 50 m/s faster than Spikes but slower than PARS. And MUCH slower than Vikhr
It also “only” has a 25kg HE demolition warhead, no HEAT or tandem charge (at least not confirmed, and even the rumored one is on a the later Izdeliye 306 variant)
I don’t think that 4 lock before launch IR missiles with a 6 to 12 km lock range (there is no available information on the seeker range other than it’s less than the missiles max range, so it could be set to what ever balances it) wouldn’t be any worse than existing FnF.
And if lock after launch missiles are added later than either the AS-BPLA datalink pod can be added or the Mi-8MNP-2, KA-52M and MI-28NE with the integrated link can be added.
That all said it’s not like it’s urgently needed, but I think it would be a cool side grade to the Vikhr. But in my humble opinion we need better SPAAs more then we need more CAS options currently.
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Yea that was an old comment. LMUR will be better than the current heli FnF missiles, however will lack heavily with quantity. No idea how it will be added
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Yeah, I noticed I was zombie posting, but I just found the missile and was wondering if it was worth making a suggestion for it as I think it and maybe the NLOS Spike for USA (I don’t know much about those though) if implemented with only lock before launch would fit fairly well at this point or at least within the year. I found an older suggestion and this thread so I thought I would just add my 2cents hear rather than start a 3rd topic on it.