Add hellis to sim?

It was back in August 2021 if I recall. That’s when our old economy system that reward you based on performance was gutted.

Then replace with the current Useful Actions system.

It’s also the same system used in Heli EC PvE mode. The only difference is the intervals there are 10-minutes instead of the Sim EC 15-minutes.

The reason was not to spite the player base even though it feels that way. It was their solution to combat the problem with 3rd party groups abusing the mode to boost accounts for resale.

The same groups that also flooded naval with the same bot accounts.

Wrong. It’s actually the other way around. There’s a reason fighters stay away from attack heli’s.

Heli’s don’t belong in sim currently. Because of rotary physics, dopplar shift isnt really much of a thing, etc. There’s a whole post on it I made awhile back. And if they do add them to sim. It needs to be done properly, otherwise sim will just get worse.

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what is rotory physics and why is that important

Its not but feel free to think how you want.

Rotors don’t behave like in arcade or GTA style.

Rotors move very fast and create a vortex, if hovering or maneuvering wrong the helicopter can get stuck in it’s own vortex and drop like a rock.

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I’m not wrong. There’s plenty of source material of times that it was tested. Go look it up or be ignorant.

Would love to see a mode like this implemented. Gives more variety to Sim and actual objectives for players to complete instead of the usual either bomb bases or shoot down as many players as you can.

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Youre right, sim is a 0 dev show. Op aircraft, beoken economy, outdated maps all plague sim with no fix on the horizon

one: they could wipe out spaa from out of their range with guided missiles, two: they could have new objectives, like picking up troops or dropping them off (with the addition of infantry) or landing to capture a base as they do in their normal gamemode

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Whilst I absolutely love the idea of Helicopters being a much more effective tool in mopping up the convoys & ground battles, I do agree with the concerns people here raise.

I see a few people pointing out that helicopters may have bad surviveability in this mode, but I do also worry about it going the other way.

For instance, if someone were to park a Z-19 / Z-10 near the enemy airfield, and just spam TY-90’s at everything that took off - this would get extremely intolerable very quickly indeed. Short of just blanketing the entire side of the map where airfields are with AA, I’m not really sure how you counter this.

Even strengthening the AA net may not be very effective on mountainous maps like Afganistan, where there is plentiful vertical cover to slip beneath. A Z-10 in those valley runs around the airfields, would be a very dangerous needle in the haystack lol.

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Like I’ve said in this thread Proposal: Introduce Helicopters to Air Simulation Mode for More Tactical Variety - #77 by White_Timberwolf :

You forgot Helicopter controls, they are still too arcadey fir sim.

dampening is too op

Not only dampening. Autohover does initiate a hover and not just hold one like a real autohover.

The guns are mouse aimed, also unrealistic (ground attack modes in top tier planes as well).

why not take a similar approach to it like heli battles have bases you can capture with a helli (and possibly VTOL) which would serve to act as FOBs and helipads which would spawn close to ground battles
also with the addition with these new AA systems you can create sort of Iron dome system that would take out enemy aircraft

W idea

As I said, in general I’m all for more diverse Sim gameplay, and helis could / should certainly be part of it, BUT, my point being that the game mode would have to catch up in development in many more areas / aspects first, before helis would be a reasonable addition.

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would you be able to explain why sim has stagnated? at top tier airfields should at least have some new AA instead of the roland and the include more dynamic battles on the ground like Knock out enemy air defenses (sead) and such

Hmm, there are no meaningful tasks added for the F117 Nighthawk. But it’s still able to play in Sim.
There are enough ground battles in a sim match the Helis could do a great job.