ADATS, what Gaijin got wrong

Yet, gaijin accepted a 3rd party write-up as a valid source on the R-DARTER to apply the R-DARTER nerf. In this forum we have already proven that some things only applies when suited.

To an extent - same goes with the franken-hind that is the super hind. Is it a Mk3? is it a Mk4? Nobody knows. I mean, I can really go on a tangent on this one - Like the Rooikat engine performance or the tandem charge on the Mokopa missile system ++++

So far I have only discussed vehicles that I have seen perform IRL, been in and around. Never mind other nations that there is plenty documentation of.

Hey man, you know Gaijin does nothing to buff British stuff. I mean, they nerfed the Fox for no reason beyond some guy in the forums making stuff up.

M735 has confirmed that there is a very different standard of evidence used to nerf NATO stuff than what is needed to buff it

There are a few, one is Identification, the ability to see if a vehicle is friend enemy or neutral, through thermal it can be hard. Contrast if the background is hot. Backup if the thermal is down for maintenance or damaged. Prolonged observation, running a cooled thermal sight requires more power.

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@Its_Filthy
Gaijin did not accept a 3rd party write up as a singular source for any historical report. There is no fixed bug report on the website about R-Darter that resulted in a “nerf” from my quick skim.

You can be critical of the bug reports IF you both cite them and get the bug reporter to tell you the sources they used, as bug reports hide sources.

Go check again. And I will cite them when gaijin has a better browse function on mobile. Not everyone is at their PC the whole time. Some of us work.

But seeing that you can not find - let’s edit and here you go Update 2.37.0.74

Thanks for proving my post 100% correct.
The report doesn’t disclose the sources used, and Fireball uses quality sources.

Does show source anymore.

When it was active the source was from a 3rd party author that wrote PDF on a general breakdown of South African equipment. For the R-DARTER I can not share any of the pages here though as it is restricted.

If you wanted to know - this was the source as I still have it bookmarked :

Bottom of the same page :

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Link to the source that was provided with the change : https://www.defenceweb.co.za/wp-content/uploads/Repository/A-Guide-to-the-SANDF/A-guide-to-the-SANDF-chapter-10-saaf-app-c-equipment.pdf

The M3 ADATS M242 wasn’t actually modified. As an externally powered gun the only change required to increase fire rate is to increase the power of the motor it is connected to.

Self-powered guns will require modification to increase or decrease fire rate, but externally powered weapons (Gatling style guns and chain guns, etc) can have their fire rate increased with additional torque and RPM from the motor.

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so there would be a chance that it can fire apfsds
the reason that i dont think the US give it apfsds is because of accuracy, the m242 isnt exactly accurate but then who knows

Or a elephant in the room. You know, how it was not a service vehicle

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hey we just need sources that say it can fire apfsds that is legit

theoretically thats all we should need but for them to actually add it we probably would need confirmed test firings of it

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test firing is an absolute nightmare to find given that theres only 2 of them and most test fire are mainly missiles engagement test

I know but it feels like that is the standard of evidence gaijin would need for US vehicle
eg. HSTVL being denied other ammo despite the testing of that ammo likely being done by the HSTVL

bit different than them making up an ammo type for 2s38

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APFSDS while nice is really not something that would matter to me because at the end of the day its an SPAA that happens to be able to kill tanks some times

I would much rather improvements to its radar/IRST so that it could actually track munitions for once and see planes in poor weather

it would also be nice if it used radar to indicate where its missile is now that you cant see it past a few km

it’s been far too long already, and pantsir is still literally the best spaa around, gaijin will never change anything about spaa of other nations except nerfing them even more for pantsir’s sake

They need to move the ADATS to 11.0 and bring in the G6-HVM. It’s the only solution

ADATS missile does not match real life performance
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/B67sfyCiIgE1

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