They arent that big of a threat when it cant pressure a fast cas jet like the super etendard or a jh7 since the new one is 10.3 ground except for like the a10 but even that can deal with it easily
Osa is only really good for people that fly high in a straight line
When i play against one I just drop my bombs then run away or i dont even need to waste bombs when i can just go for a gun run since its min range is garbage
An as 30L on a super etendard will decimate the osa
Literally i just launch it at 10 km and stay at that range while guiding my as 30 with the laser the osa missiles are too slow to reach me in time before my agm hits him
He would be better off intercepting my as 30l instead
And no its not that much better than the strela or the tunguska
At best its just as effective as the Roland
Its easy wdym?
Unless you’re talking about using the automatic lead via the new radar GUI, I don’t think it’s very easy.
Wow, trying to compare it to roland, I’m starting to believe you got no clue about tunguskas and osas missiles.
Roland is pure trash to anything what is not recon drone or hovering helo inside 5km range. Least last time I touched that.
Yes, cos every plane in that BR got laser or F&F munitions, or are agile.
I can assure you, biggest threath on Tornado playing 10.0 germany is OSA , and soon as having Targeting pod / thermals basic aa’s are not big of an threath.
Ive rarely seen tornadoes die to a osa
A tornado that at least has 1 braincell knows that hes going to be more concerned by a strela than the osa that lets you konw its here on your rwr
And if he boom and zoom the osa isnt going to be useful if the taget is below 2 km
And the tornado is agile enough to deal with an osa and even then all it needs to do is either drive it to the ground or run away form it
It doesnt have radar lead? And for me its easy to guide it tracerless
Yeah, stick below 2km , and that strela is threat, to be honest any stinger is threath in that alt.
And Zooming is issue on tornado, since you reach mach 1 instant, and cant drop ordanance.
Keeping altitude, evades strela and tunguska with ease. But osa is different story.
Not to mention enemy fighters if you keep altitude in that 2km or below.
And saying tornado as agile, on bomb load… It’s a bus.
But what should I know.
Because it isn’t just about the missile. what makes the 2S6 good is the platform along with a decent missile. The OSA is simply a terrible platform. terrible mobility, horrible vertical/horizontal speed, and poor search radar. It’s missile is only superior the 2S6’s in far range but any competent CAS player can out-maneuver it. But in short-medium range where it matters, the 2S6 is superior than the OSA in almost every way.
The 146A is better than the 9M311, but by how much? If you compare it’s stats, it’s 1.2 - 1.5x better. the biggest issue is that both missiles suffer at hitting targets at longer ranges because they don’t have a sustainer. I’d even argue that because the 9M311 has a tracer, it’s easier to make corrections where as with the 146A, you have to guess.
In terms of platform, the 2S6 is better. You get great mobility, tracking radar, and 4x30mm. It’s much better at identifying and intercepting munitions.
I can’t speak for the Tornado, but I can speak for the A7D. If played correctly the OSA poses no threat.
Yep, like any plane with laser or F&F munitions.
Tornado is lackluster having only dumb munitions, no target pod, and that mach1 limit on bombs what it locks so damn fast even on slightest attack angle.
And on adats vs Tunguska, biggest thing what I miss in Adats is turret rotation speed.
And in tunguska, laserrange would make a huge profit on it.
Going back to why people why the 2S6 to be moved up in BR is because currently the ADATS is either too high of a BR or the 2S6 is too low.
The ADATS is better in some aspects like anti-tank but when it comes to anti-air, there very close to each other. The ADATS can take out planes at medium range more effectively but the 2S6 can intercept munitions more effectively. It comes down to how much you value each pros/cons.
if i want to be anti-tank, I’ll just play the Bradley. I don’t value the ADATS lethality at medium range as much because I can play outside of it with near impunity.
What I do value is it’s ability to take out munitions.
Nah, I can keep tunguska where it is, but adats is kinda" joke on 11.7.
It could be brought to 11.3 or 11.0
Gotcha, I can agree with you there. With guided munitions started to be more common 10.7+, there needs to be an spaa that can counter them.
I have no issues with the 2S6 at 10.7 because it directly counters many CAS aircrafts at that BR. what I have an issue with is the spaa from 11.0 to 11.7. They can’t even counter planes at it’s BR and even below it.
I can think of five solutions. reduce the BRs of these spaa, increase BR of problematic planes, increase the BR of 12.0 spaa, decompression, or a combination of the five.
In my honest opinion, I don’t think this will solve much other than preventing 11.0 CAS from going against the pantsir.
My main issue is that these spaa can’t really stand up to any CAS player (that uses the most basic of tactics) with an aircraft that is at a lower BR.
Agreed. Regardless if the ADATS gets moved down, the Flarakrad should be lower. The only good trait it has is its vt1 missile, but the is platform is painfully bad.
Hot take, you could put this thing at 10.7 or even 10.3 and it’ll still suck. Now matter how many times you reduce this spaa in BR, it’ll always struggle in short-medium range. I find the Tors to be only good at long ranges
My baseline is the 2S6 and Pantsir because they are both versatile at their respective BR. I don’t see any of these other spaa between them as such. The capability jump from 10.7 to 11.7 CAS is huge where as from the 2S6 to the ADATS, the jump is not by the same margin.
I can think of five solutions. reduce the BRs of these spaa, increase BR of problematic planes, increase the BR of 12.0 spaa, decompression, or a combination of the five.
I mean, do you have any 11.3 / 11.7 CAS aircraft such as the Mirage 2000DR1 / Su-25T / Su-39?
I would like to test the ADATS out against those.
To be fair, you could always just move those CAS aircraft up in BR like you said here:
Agreed, but that just means moving the Flarakrad to 11.0 (if the ADATS were to be moved down to 11.3), and I’m not sure if it should be allowed to face 10.0 aircraft to be honest…
Yeah, it’s just that at 11.0 / 11.3 their missiles (even at long range) aren’t really good in the slightest of uptiers. They’re like the OSA but you can shoot more at a time and the missiles are better.
Well I think the ADATS is better than the 2S6 to a significant degree.
Sure it doesn’t have a stabilizer, nor good reverse speed, and it doesn’t have 4 guns… but its missiles are much better.
1065m/s max speed instead of 910m/s, 6m trigger radius instead of just 5m, much better G Overload and beam-riding (such that you can shoot multiple in quick succession), ability to kill tanks fairly reliably, IRST lock + Invisible missile combo… etc.
I would say a 0.7 at the minimum, but I can’t see why it couldn’t be a 1.0 difference.
The Canadian ADATS gets no gun but gets access to smoke grenades, so I’d say that variant is slightly worse but still pretty good (enough to be 1.0 BR different to the 2S6 imo too).
If the problem is that it can’t kill 11.3 / 11.7 aircraft then I’d say just move them up in BR (and the Pantsir too).
I have no clue why the AMX is just 0.3 BR lower than the Su-25T or Mirage 2000DR1 to be honest…
it also gets better elevation angles
gaijin limited the sight traverse on the US ADATS to the gun elevation instead of the actual sight elevation or launcher elevation
They’re the same now:
they are not
that is vertical traverse of the launchers not the sight
the sight is limited to the 59 degrees of elevation for the gun while the launchers can go past that
to engage targets past the 59 degrees in the US ADATS you have to guide the missile from third person
Well in that sense, yes.
I do but I’m currently on break right now visiting my parents. Preferably, I would like to not have my laptop go into nuclear meltdown. Once break is over, I’ll hit you up, if you’re still down.
Overall decompression needs to happen again tbh.