An explanation would be nice, so I can understand where you’re coming from…
ADATS shouldnt be that low
2s6 should be 11.0 or so and adats 11.3
I was referring to the Type 81. It’s an spaa that can only excel at taking out close flying airfract but it sucks at everything else.
I probably should’ve clarified that tho
honestly I cant see that really going bellow 11.3 or 11.7
because it might not have the best range, but is pretty much an auto kill on anyone who gets within 6-7km due to really good IRCCM and enough pull to be hard or impossible to evade
its in the odd spot of being either being way too good at its BR or mid at its br due to the range, and I feel like one team completely shutting down CAS due to a single AA is a bit too much
edit: especially now due to the recent ground decompression if anything other AA need to move up eg. pantsir and maybe ITO
Can’t this be said about the Strela? Sure it’s worse than the Type 81, but at the BR where CAS platforms are are not too advanced, it’s quite good at taking out planes effectively. Though as a disclaimer I haven’t used the strela as much compared to the ADATS or 2S6.
I find the Type 81 to be placed in a BR where CAS platforms have either have gotten too fast (to launch mavericks at a safe distance), too advanced (TGP with thermals) or even both to completely counter Type 81s.
I have no issues countering the Type 81 in my F4E and Su39 where as with my A-10, I will definitely have to play it more smart or I’ll be having issues.
the reason why I think the Type 81 is severely over BR’d is because the platform is really poor. No search/track radar and no defensive armaments makes it struggle against a lot of things where as if you go up .3 you get the chinease spaa, which I find really good at countering munitions and planes that fly too close.
yes
it can, and I believe the strella should go up to 11.0 at least
idk about that, because unless you know theres a type 81 up you will probably get into its range unless you have a good tgp, because the mavs in built seeker is hard to find targets with
and if you a playing type 81 and arent sitting in spawn you are very hard to spot from a plane without good thermals
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true
when thinking about it more, I usually get fired upon by a type 81 once I’m within 6 or 7km. Since at that those ranges, I’m flying quite high, I can spot where it comes from and react to them in time. However if they just waited to give me false sense of security, I would’ve been shot down easily.
It also doesn’t help that many sit at spawn too.
The problem with the Type 81(c)s BR is that even if it goes down it’s still a 11.7 by default due to Japan having zero vehicles between 9.7 and 11.7.
Give me Liberty (prototype) or give me death:
Your 12.0 US Air defense vehicle sir, a modified Saudi(French made) Shahine with it’s own integrated search radar and FLIR. Which competed in FAADS LOS-F-H and was preferred by some but ultimately lost to ADATS.
Radar range 19.5km
Tracking range 17km
Liberty Missile
Improved Crotale/Shahine a prototype of the VT-1 missile.
Range: ~12km
Speed: Mach 3.5
Maneuverability: 35g
Radar and FLIR tracking.
Oh and incentivize Gaijin know you want that gun elevation looked at soon: US ADATS gun rotor axis is in a historically wrong location. // Gaijin.net // Issues
The gun could easily go up to 85 degrees, Gaijin just modeled it wrong.
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Wouldn’t this perform worse than the ADATS? You get a tracking radar and better AA missiles but the platform seems a bit underwhelming, only 6 missiles unfortunately. It looks like it can elevate by like 20-30 degrees.Also, are those Vt1 missiles? The launcher tubes seem very large. Or maybe the chassis is tiny. I can’t seem to tell 🤣.
Has the US given up on systems like the ADATS for a more layer based protection doctrine?
This stage of the Liberty missile was prior to VT-1 it doesn’t have folding fins yet so that is why the canisters are so big.
But yes the vehicle would be underwhelming against people already doing boom and zoom but that is the best I know of that was actually made. Here you can see it being fired.
Yeah end of cold war plus F-15 and F-16 meant that the US stuck to Stingers for SHORAD.
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2 other things, in reality the ADATS can elevate almost 90 degrees, and the missiles are smokeless.
This is something what I always wonder, why people want tunguska to be moved up, especially since it missiles are horrible in current state, especailly compared to osas, what are far better range and also better effective range, since those doesnt start death wobling after 6km.
The osa only has 500 meters more range than the upgraded with the better missile
Plus its slower and extremely smoky
Though the tunguska is much better than the osa plus you can defend yourself at close range
Though i will admit they aren’t the best in a uptier
Anything with stand off weapons like the super etendard or the mirage dr1 with as 30L can easily just launch the as 30l and then start flying sideways to the tunguska while keeping the laser on target at 10 km basically sitting outside of the tunguska max launch range or you can be closer and keep flying sideways since it will have a hard time leading the missile on a target going mach 0.8 - 1+
Anything with mav or gbu can easily beat a tunguska as long as you stay fast and agile
Now if we compare the adats to the tunguska i would take an adats simply because you can fire without triggering rwrs and am not entirely sure that lower br planes can pick up its radar on rwr
I personally think its ok if doesnt move down in br since the adats is still good against heli at top tier
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you can fire whilst triggering rwr sure, but youre fully countered by clouds
Well, I was thinking of having the Pantsir move up to 12.3, have the ITO and the American ADATS stay at 12.0 and 11.7 respectively, and then move the Flarakrad to 11.3. I think the ADATS is much better than the Flarakrad, so unless you want to move the Flarakrad down to 11.0, I can’t see why the American ADATS should move down to 11.3.
BTW they should move the TOR M1 and HQ17 back to 11.0 and 11.3 respectively since they weren’t that great to begin with (basically a better OSA).
Yeah, Osa has 500m theoretical better range, but it just happens to be 3km better range in game.
Yes, those are slower and smokes more on launch, but the problem in tunguska is that, those missiles are actually pure trash past 6/7km, since they start wobling like no other.
Osa in other hand, keeps quite steady stracking still on 9km.
That’s why it’s actually a lot bigger threath compared to strela, and I have no clue why both are in 10.3, since osa should be in 10.7.
And yes, that is reason why I also like ADATS more compared to tunguska, since those missiles are also better on longer range compared to tunguska, biggest problem is, seeing those missiles, since adats has so ***** Thermals.
You can just gun strafe the OSA 9/10 times because of its abysmal turret rotation speed and lack of 4x 30mm guns.
Strela should be 10.7, but OSA is fine at 10.3.
yea the 2S6 is def under BR’ed. It perform really close to the ADATS but 1.0 BR lower. It could come up to 11.0 and be just fine.