2 other things, in reality the ADATS can elevate almost 90 degrees, and the missiles are smokeless.
This is something what I always wonder, why people want tunguska to be moved up, especially since it missiles are horrible in current state, especailly compared to osas, what are far better range and also better effective range, since those doesnt start death wobling after 6km.
The osa only has 500 meters more range than the upgraded with the better missile
Plus its slower and extremely smoky
Though the tunguska is much better than the osa plus you can defend yourself at close range
Though i will admit they aren’t the best in a uptier
Anything with stand off weapons like the super etendard or the mirage dr1 with as 30L can easily just launch the as 30l and then start flying sideways to the tunguska while keeping the laser on target at 10 km basically sitting outside of the tunguska max launch range or you can be closer and keep flying sideways since it will have a hard time leading the missile on a target going mach 0.8 - 1+
Anything with mav or gbu can easily beat a tunguska as long as you stay fast and agile
Now if we compare the adats to the tunguska i would take an adats simply because you can fire without triggering rwrs and am not entirely sure that lower br planes can pick up its radar on rwr
I personally think its ok if doesnt move down in br since the adats is still good against heli at top tier
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you can fire whilst triggering rwr sure, but youre fully countered by clouds
Well, I was thinking of having the Pantsir move up to 12.3, have the ITO and the American ADATS stay at 12.0 and 11.7 respectively, and then move the Flarakrad to 11.3. I think the ADATS is much better than the Flarakrad, so unless you want to move the Flarakrad down to 11.0, I can’t see why the American ADATS should move down to 11.3.
BTW they should move the TOR M1 and HQ17 back to 11.0 and 11.3 respectively since they weren’t that great to begin with (basically a better OSA).
Yeah, Osa has 500m theoretical better range, but it just happens to be 3km better range in game.
Yes, those are slower and smokes more on launch, but the problem in tunguska is that, those missiles are actually pure trash past 6/7km, since they start wobling like no other.
Osa in other hand, keeps quite steady stracking still on 9km.
That’s why it’s actually a lot bigger threath compared to strela, and I have no clue why both are in 10.3, since osa should be in 10.7.
And yes, that is reason why I also like ADATS more compared to tunguska, since those missiles are also better on longer range compared to tunguska, biggest problem is, seeing those missiles, since adats has so ***** Thermals.
You can just gun strafe the OSA 9/10 times because of its abysmal turret rotation speed and lack of 4x 30mm guns.
Strela should be 10.7, but OSA is fine at 10.3.
yea the 2S6 is def under BR’ed. It perform really close to the ADATS but 1.0 BR lower. It could come up to 11.0 and be just fine.
They arent that big of a threat when it cant pressure a fast cas jet like the super etendard or a jh7 since the new one is 10.3 ground except for like the a10 but even that can deal with it easily
Osa is only really good for people that fly high in a straight line
When i play against one I just drop my bombs then run away or i dont even need to waste bombs when i can just go for a gun run since its min range is garbage
An as 30L on a super etendard will decimate the osa
Literally i just launch it at 10 km and stay at that range while guiding my as 30 with the laser the osa missiles are too slow to reach me in time before my agm hits him
He would be better off intercepting my as 30l instead
And no its not that much better than the strela or the tunguska
At best its just as effective as the Roland
Its easy wdym?
Unless you’re talking about using the automatic lead via the new radar GUI, I don’t think it’s very easy.
Wow, trying to compare it to roland, I’m starting to believe you got no clue about tunguskas and osas missiles.
Roland is pure trash to anything what is not recon drone or hovering helo inside 5km range. Least last time I touched that.
Yes, cos every plane in that BR got laser or F&F munitions, or are agile.
I can assure you, biggest threath on Tornado playing 10.0 germany is OSA , and soon as having Targeting pod / thermals basic aa’s are not big of an threath.
Ive rarely seen tornadoes die to a osa
A tornado that at least has 1 braincell knows that hes going to be more concerned by a strela than the osa that lets you konw its here on your rwr
And if he boom and zoom the osa isnt going to be useful if the taget is below 2 km
And the tornado is agile enough to deal with an osa and even then all it needs to do is either drive it to the ground or run away form it
It doesnt have radar lead? And for me its easy to guide it tracerless
Yeah, stick below 2km , and that strela is threat, to be honest any stinger is threath in that alt.
And Zooming is issue on tornado, since you reach mach 1 instant, and cant drop ordanance.
Keeping altitude, evades strela and tunguska with ease. But osa is different story.
Not to mention enemy fighters if you keep altitude in that 2km or below.
And saying tornado as agile, on bomb load… It’s a bus.
But what should I know.
Because it isn’t just about the missile. what makes the 2S6 good is the platform along with a decent missile. The OSA is simply a terrible platform. terrible mobility, horrible vertical/horizontal speed, and poor search radar. It’s missile is only superior the 2S6’s in far range but any competent CAS player can out-maneuver it. But in short-medium range where it matters, the 2S6 is superior than the OSA in almost every way.
The 146A is better than the 9M311, but by how much? If you compare it’s stats, it’s 1.2 - 1.5x better. the biggest issue is that both missiles suffer at hitting targets at longer ranges because they don’t have a sustainer. I’d even argue that because the 9M311 has a tracer, it’s easier to make corrections where as with the 146A, you have to guess.
In terms of platform, the 2S6 is better. You get great mobility, tracking radar, and 4x30mm. It’s much better at identifying and intercepting munitions.
I can’t speak for the Tornado, but I can speak for the A7D. If played correctly the OSA poses no threat.
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Yep, like any plane with laser or F&F munitions.
Tornado is lackluster having only dumb munitions, no target pod, and that mach1 limit on bombs what it locks so damn fast even on slightest attack angle.
And on adats vs Tunguska, biggest thing what I miss in Adats is turret rotation speed.
And in tunguska, laserrange would make a huge profit on it.
Going back to why people why the 2S6 to be moved up in BR is because currently the ADATS is either too high of a BR or the 2S6 is too low.
The ADATS is better in some aspects like anti-tank but when it comes to anti-air, there very close to each other. The ADATS can take out planes at medium range more effectively but the 2S6 can intercept munitions more effectively. It comes down to how much you value each pros/cons.
if i want to be anti-tank, I’ll just play the Bradley. I don’t value the ADATS lethality at medium range as much because I can play outside of it with near impunity.
What I do value is it’s ability to take out munitions.
Nah, I can keep tunguska where it is, but adats is kinda" joke on 11.7.
It could be brought to 11.3 or 11.0