What I don’t get is why most discussion here is about that aircraft’s performance as a fighter.
It is a ground attacker after all… Gr.1, not F.1… ;-)
How it is weak rn?
I mean, when I played Hunter F.6 last time, didn’t see any difference its performance from when Harrier GR.1 was broken overpowered.
As far as I know, with the exception of the IR signature nerf in 2019 or early 2020 and the AAMs drag nerf generally, SRAAM’s performance has not changed.
That’s because Jet RB is literally fighter meta and everybody use decent attackers as figheters.
There are reasons why decent player doesn’t bring bombs when they play A5C, Gen2 Harriers, A4N etc.
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Well, its BR is based around its fighter capability right? Because its ground attack capability is that of an 8.7 plane really. Makes it fair to judge it based on its fighter ability if that is the case.
Perhaps when gaijin implement ground RB BRs for more planes we will see a better niche for the GR1 with a lower BR for ground attack.
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Meta massive shift and the changes in the missiles capabilities weakening its chasing capability. You cant even hit the mig 15 from behind with a 1.5km shot if you had to lose any speed trying to “viff” attack it or just turn in behind it for example, GL trying to do that to a plane flying at over mach 1.
When GR1 was overpowered, it was pretty much the fastest accelerating/top speed bar mach plane out there bar a couple of exceptions and had an air spawn allowing them to fly to 6km and dive down on enemy formations taking off and still trying to gain speed with a qwasi all aspect capability which is now gone too.
I think the wiki sums it up well
Cons:
Very short range, missiles fired outside of 1 km are unlikely to hit unless you have a notable speed advantage over your opponent
Cannot hit anything reliably, due to its 3.2 second guidance time
Relatively small explosive mass means hits are not always fatal (at least immediately)
Flares can easily fool the SRAAM due to its high FoV
Likely to lose control if fired at low speed due to thrust vectoring
Personally I rather sidewinder Bs.
BR was decompressed so, it would be fine at its BR if some current 9.3-10.3 jets move to higher BR such as F104A, Hunter F.58, T-2, F8U etc.
Is thats actually? Because I had never faced that issues when I played Hunter F.6 in 3 month ago.
I will play Harrier GR.1 or Hunter F.6 in tomorrow or later because im so tired irl today but, don’t think it is bad as you say.
BTW, I usually shot within 1.2km.
I played Jet RB match when Harrier cames in the game but, it was pretty cracked even before they gets airspawn.
I still remember me and my teammates gets wiped in first few mins by full of Harrier team.
It was next level from CL-13A/F40 Sabre meta or T-2 meta.
Look forward to your review :)
It was literally the first Harrier GR.1 game in the last 2-3 years because I usually bring Hunter F.6, but it is not the bad plane that the OP and you seem to think it is.
I mean there are still many fighters and attackers that doesn’t have CM, and for them, SRAAM is still a threat.
Also, I thought my aim is crap because I play SBEC recently but, it was still fine for killing players lol.
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I’ve never felt this nerf everyone always brings up, they are still extremely deadly and funny to use
Exactly and I can see you’ve climbed which I guarantee almost none of these guys do if they think this plane sucks. I almost never see anyone climb and they’re dead in minutes. Absolute insanity but they just keep doing it then complain it’s the plane that’s bad.
Ehh… It might need to be 9.3 with no CMs at all and SRAAM buggy as hell, but would be better to see SRAAM fixed
2km range, All-aspect (or at minimum decent side aspect angles) , non-broken TVC. Would be a good 9.7 again then
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It already locks on afterburning enemy in a head-on. As far as I’ve seen the range is accurate
Bug reports attached to my post. Its really not
I guess it would be 10.0 again just like how All-aspect missile was biggest problem in that BR blankets.
Which is why I could accept them not giving it all-aspect for the sake of “balance” but instead just giving it really good rear and side aspect shots, like 90 ° off tail. So could engage people reasonably effectively in a dogfight but wouldnt be totally broken.
Honestly, I didn’t climb much because Harrier GR.1 has no CM or RWR, and if the enemy team has Mirage IIIC/CJ, MiG-21S, or MiG-21SPS-K, I will be sent back to the hangar by their SARH missiles.
Only things what I did was spam SRAAMs against flareless jets.
I always climb, staying low is suicide. It’s super rare I’m not the highest plane in the battle. I side climb to not be seen first and then fliy over the battle. Diving from height means their Max speed soesnt matter, 1.2km launch will very rarely be flared or fail to hit from top down. I’ve always found this to be easy and repeatable being very rare I’m missiles by radar or outclimbed.
How you have matches where you can climb and not catch a SARH is beyond me. Never had that experience in my GR. 1 - Couldn’t climb because I’d catch SARHs or magics from that scum A-5C and flying low ran the risk of catching an All-aspect from an A-10 or Su-25 provided I wasn’t dogpiled, first. Didn’t matter if I took a side flight either because once I was spotted people were on me. SRAAMs are so trash they really only worked on energy-trapped people - provided they had no CMs - or as decoys to stop all-aspects.
GR.1 is a miserable aircraft to play, even as a premium. Almost as bad as the F-84F.
A10 and su 25 are never getting close enough to aim9 you and as I said I’ve never found missiles to be a problem with a side climb. Maybe your not to the side enough?
Trying the gr1 rn. Horrible experience so far.
If anything is up at alt with you, you have to try to dance around to avoid them. You have no cm so you also have the dance around anything with aams. Doesnt help that sraams need to be within 1km to hit and anything with flares will hard counter you.
The hunter can at least dogfight so it it is not as bad.
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