by what? if the su34s are sending that many groms they cant carry 27ETs. They arent like the f15e where they can carry both ;) Idk man, i think with minor additions and a little more experience they would be pretty balanced and fun to play against.
Also maybe gaijin could add points to shooting down missiles, that would add some direct incentive, maybe similar to an assist?
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I definitely think we should have rewards for interception. Not just for planes, but for SPAA’s sake too.
Not played Sim too much since the update (Not interested in playing red anymore, and Blue is always overpopulated), but the couple games I did play, basically whole enemy team was just Su-34’s, deck hugging with their radars turned off spamming 27ET’s. Was kinda hellish to deal with lmao.
yes, because they cant bring any worth while ground ordinance to win matches, per the usual. What I was saying though is unlike the f15E the su34 cant bring full loadouts of both at the same time since they occupy the same pylons.
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Just identify your target and use aim9ms, they are easy enough to deal with. Use your altitude advantage to dive down on them, and the 27et is easy enough to flare off from the front if they nose up to engage you.
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Remember what they took from you… I had a lot of fun using grom 2s in ARB. Too bad the more extra fun got taken away
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yeah what about the Su34 not getting Kh59s or R27EA or R77-1 or Kh-65 or Kh38MA
The brimstone is on the best platform in the game a 4.5 gen fighter with Aim 120s and the first gen of the brimstone is literally laser guided anyway plus it carries 18 so I dont see the issue
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Range, why havent the UK received Storm shadow?
Why does the US not have JASSM-ER?
Why should the Su-34 get the R-77(1)
Why shouldnt the Typhoon have AIM 120C?
Why does the Su-34 have a missile version that no one has seen in person or on the aircraft?
The difference is Gaijin havent removed the FnF mode from the KH-38…
Rafale has the same performance window and has fire and forget missiles.
18 Brimstones equals 1 or 2 kills a pass and increased exposure rate to aircraft and SAMs
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Because the Kh38 is TV guided lmao the brimstone uses radar
And that 2 kills is just a skill issue icl on the best key platform in the game lol
And if you wanna add the aim 120c where’s the R37 or the MiG 31 lol and the R77S is literally used on the Su34 but alright and the R27EA and what about the EM even it’s not fair to add them :0 !?
The Grom one is because it’s GPS so just press w
oh and wouldnt it be fair the nation with the best cruise missiles irl has good cruise missiles in wt
or is that russian bias
KH-38MT doesnt exist Russia only operates the KH-38ML Laser guided and IOG
You can guide a single Brimstone one at a time as soon as you turn the laser on all the missiles guide on the laser they ignore the IOG.
Su-34 flies high locks 6 targets gets 5 kills and rtbs to do it again. The Typhoon is not the same.
No Aim120C is the next step if the R-77-1 added
R-37M is a BVRAAM and sure you can have it on a MiG 31 as long as Europe get Meteors?
You mean like the KH-38…what nation has a better Cruise missile in game…
R-27EA also isnt real and was never put into service or tested.
what odds an meteor will make against the R37M is beyond me but sure lol
and theres still the R77P which wasnt added with Aim 120B
and the Su34 het 6 Kh38s but the F15E can carry more TV guided missiles and the rafale too plus cant the typhoon carry TV guided missiles (I could be wrong) and the Su34 is completely screwed if anything with Aim120s or Micas spawn (all of the above) and any spaa with a brain can intercept the Kh38s or get to cover like you would against an Agm65 or otherwise
and the Kh38 isnt a cruise missile lol its a single stage stand off missile theres missiles on helicopters with more range in Ru
try using google the R27EA was literally used the R77 was chosen instead for mass production
not to mention the Su34 is literally a strike aircraft its fat and heavy it cant do air to air its only use is shooting Kh38s
NATO mains when russia makes a good vehicle
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Meteor is BVRAAM while the R-37M does outrange it the Typhoon can carry more Meteors on a superior platform.
F-15E carries AGM-65 which while it carries more has a shorter range than the KH-38.
Typhoon has no FnF weapons which is why players wanted an IR/TV mode as a compromise on Brimstone.
KH-38 has a range IRL of 70km thats stand off weapon range. Yes Russian helicopters KA-52 have been seen using KH-69 so yes but I think you were comparing LMUR or Vikhrs.
Su-34 is a strike aircraft it still has a great radar and R-77 and a very good payload all it’s missing is its ECM suite.
R-27EA yes and it wasnt chosen. R-77 was deemed superior either way the aircraft that needs it the Su-33 cannot use it.
Russia have a lot of good vehicles.
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yeah I dont think the Typhoon is superior to Su35-57 or any modern MiGs lol Zukh radar Belka etc the R77M is also far better lol
and it having slightly less range doesnt change the fact it out ranges spaa and can carry more to blow up more tanks you just said the Su34 gets 5 and rtb the F15 can get waay more
And I was talking about the Hermes or LMUR but fair enough
and the R77 is terrible lol you clearly havent used it plus the Su34s radar is good irl but in warthunder it just locks missiles and rarely sees things
So now your chaning that the R27EA does exist? and it was used on more than the Su33 lol
Russia does not have alot of good options
T90M is best armour but still lower glacies and huge turret ring with a slow reload and no reverse
T80BVM slow reload too and easy to kill breach
Both use 3bm60 the most underperforming sabot at top tier (because gaijin use some website to calculate it and spall is based on pen not mass)
Pantsir has good range but beyond 10km you just touch the keyboard to dodge it at close range going fast is enough to dodge the missile the radar fails to lock or see things so much and the missile goes for any ordinance dropped and TWS is random so switching back with other things in the sky friendly or not is hard
The R77 wiggles everywhere has no range R73 can be one flared rear aspect and wiggles even more the R27ER is easily beaten by Aim 120 if you just defend and russian radars are slow not flexible and cant see anything russia helis wont get any FnF missiles like several other nations either oh and MiG 29 and Su27 flight models are terrible irl the MiG 29 beat F16s in post GDR tests and the Su27 should be able to beat anything except maybe typhoons
So really there is no reason to play russia anymore
russian bias died after the F14 was added
anytime something good that is russian is added people cry till its gone or nerfed
or even just straight additions
F111 no Tu22
F104 F117 no MiG 25
Aim 120B no R77P
LOSAT no TOS
and I can go on about all the russian things that have been nerfed or overperforming jets
But this can summarise russian exeperience :
Gaijin nerfed the MiG 29s flight model and gave it an R27ER and no R73 to ‘balance’ the R27ER (which it could carry only two of lol and its only advantage was speed) but then once the R27ER was no longer even the much of an advantage the MiG 29 never got its R73 or flight buff… the best part is the MiG 29 9-13 does use R27ERs lol
Most definitely was real and was tested somewhat extensively.
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Point stands the jets that would have received it use the R-77. Adding it instead of the R-77 would be anachronistic.
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Su-24 is in game thats the F-111 counterpart.
Tu-22 is a strategic bomber.
AIM120B offers no difference to the 120A in game.
The R-77-1 is an upgrade over the R-77
F-104 is very different to a MiG 25…a better comparison would be the YF-12 based on the SR-71.
LOSAT is a meme as would TOS difference is LOSAT can kill tanks with a kinetic penetrator.
No doubt TOS will be added at some point.
MiG 29 is struggling its been power crept by the F-15 and the Su-27 who now regularly see 13.0 games.
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Bro R77P not -1 I’m saying the P would be a fair addition and it was before 120C
Just because the Tu22 is labelled a strategic bomber doesn’t change the fact it is very similar they even stuck R73s on later ones they have flares and I bet it would be close dogfight between F111. The Su24 is not a match it has no bomb capacity it’s designed for standoff lol not what the F111 does. Then the F117 literally has no offensive armament either. So there’s no real argument against Tu22 and don’t talk about the B1 because that is different it’s far bigger and slower. The Tu22 is literally used for ground striking (look it up in Ukraine)
And lmao why would you compare a reconnaissance jet to a interceptor equiped with missiles lmao
F104 - can’t dogfight
F117 - can’t fight at all
Yet they won’t add MiG 25 because it doesn’t have a gun
(Even tho Britain has the Sea vixen I think it’s called) or because it’s not a good dog fighter (I can list several others from the above that also can’t) it’s got goot missiles and R60s as an option too so it really has a place
And the MiG 29 is underperforming lol did you not read what I said it can beat the F15 irl in dogfights F16 too but in wt that’s a big no I’m not talking about slinging I’m talking about dogfights so it should be lower br without the ER and with the R73
What can’t they add multiple varients considering the R27EA has better range to give it actual competition against Aim 120B
It existed and was used and should be added so Russia actually has a chance