A friendly discussion on some less conventional balance changes (7.7 - 12.0)

Hey, I’ve been playing for quite some time, and I have a few ideas on “balance changes” that I can’t help but talk about.
Now I know, this isn’t necessarily a suggestion, more of a discussion. Of course, it wouldn’t be a conversation about balance if I didn’t mention the big stuff: Decompression and cas nerfs. But besides those, here are some other things that could help with balance.
1: Autocannon aphe nerf.
Personally, if I were to nerf autocannon aphe I wouldn’t simply reduce the amount of damage it does. Instead, I would add the aphe changes that were voted on a while back, the one where aphe would get a cone effect rather than a radial effect. Everything up to 57mm would get this change (not including manual loaded low caliber rounds) which should cover all of the annoying spaa that people say are overpowered. Gone would be the days of getting hit by a single dm12 round into the cupola and getting one shot, now you would only lose your commander, which would give you ample chance to defend yourself.
2: Increased max battle rating.
Yes, I know this counts as decompression, but this is something that seemingly never happens. Just imagine if the max battle rating was say 15.0; you wouldn’t need to cram every radar spaa into 8.3 anymore! With this, most lineups would stay intact, but your chances of facing something with a lrf and apfsds in your slow centurion mk3 would be drastically reduced. In addition to that, you would be able to fit more unusual tanks into a proper br, like some of the higher br spgs. And to be frank, I don’t see much harm in doing this in the current state of the game. Sure, loading times might be higher, but I’d personally take a battle where I wait 30s to get a match and get to fight a balanced fight than have to wait 15s for a match where I get curb stomped.
3: Aircraft br in ground.
With more and more fighter aircraft having their battle ratings reduced in ground rb, I see it fit to have some changes if the previous point were to be introduced; think of this as an addition. With the battle ratings being much more aligned, the need to have a separate br for most aircraft is greatly diminished. Yes, it is still nice to have the br of an aircraft be reduced when it’s used as a fighter in grb, and yes, it is nice to have powerful cas planes to have a higher br in grb. But no, it is not fun when you play something like a jaguar gr1 in grb trying to use it as a fighter when you are fighting 12.0 jets in disguise. (exaggeration but you get the point) A greater attention to what br certain aircraft should be in grb would be just as greatly appreciated.

Final thoughts:
I don’t expect this to go anywhere; I don’t expect this to be recognized by the almighty snail. But I do enjoy talking about balance changes to improve a game I do enjoy playing from time to time. So If anyone reading this has some other Ideas that they want to share, go ahead. I’d like to hear some.
:3

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Last time we tried this, content creators lied about it and the playerbase voted against fixing APHE.
I of course support fixing APHE.

2- The 8.3 radar SPAAs would still be grouped together… they’re equivalent to each other, so of course they’re going to be the same BR.

lied about what? that change would have seriously damaged the ww2 balance, which is why i personally voted against it
tbh i see a possible fix for the 35mm spam - just take their API (APHE) belts away, and leave them with a full HE belt and the small APDS belt

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The change would have no impact on WW2 balance.
Zero tech trees would be harmed because all tech trees, without exception, would equally get slightly more resilient.

And no, Gepards should keep their belts. You voted for Gepards to keep their belts, you have to deal with the consequences of your vote.

I voted for the correction.
If anyone has a right to complain about APHE it’s myself and all others that voted to correct APHE, but I don’t because I adapt to it.
Those that voted to keep APHE OP have no right to complain about Gepards.

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That one already is. I’ve never been shot in cupolas.
People prefer to flank Tiger 1s than do that shot as-is.
T-32 was already changed in BR because people don’t aim for APHE spots.

Weird, topics exist about it…

and i never got bitten by a black widow - doesn’t mean the bite is harmless

how is this topic about API belts on 35mm oerlikon cannons? why do you intentionally gaslight me?

Keeping APHE as spheres of death isn’t a solution to anything as it creates plethora of other issues.

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thats true, and i dont trust gaijin with any kind of balancing changes that would be needed if that change rolled out

somehow this very easy to make change completely escapes ground battles

@pooqich Dude, you tried to claim my memory about the APHE vote was made up and now you’re doing more personal attacks instead of discussing the topic…
I am being civil, sir. I will not attack you.

If you want Gepard nerfed, you should’ve voted for the APHE changes.
Either way, Gepards are not OP and have never been OP.
Just because I let them flank me does not mean they can ever win against an MBT on their own.

The solution to a problem is to actively oppose and stop any attempts at solving it, of course.

Because: “what if it doesn’t work out”? Yeah, why even try, right? It’s best to keep things as they are.

/s

This probably is the same mindset that makes bug reports rot for years unsolved after acknowledgement.

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You’re supposed to make your post more obvious that it’s sarcasm.

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i was talking about 35mm api belts, not aphe changes
for some reason you keep misrepresenting my point ABOUT BELTS, NOT APHE (just so you finally get it)

aphe changes are a done deal, nothing to be said and done about it

Then we deal with Gepards that can easily post-pen us when they flank us during distractions.
The solution is to keep your headphones on and ears open.

I loved when R3 T20 was 3.3 because they were free frags with my M4 Sherman. R3 T20 was useless against medium tanks that had their audio on.

I love the SPAA spam at 8.3 - 9.3, because it’s free rewards.
I do not care if one luckily flanks me during a distraction, that’s on me for not paying attention.

It was gaijin’s mistake to make a vote on it in the first place. They should have rolled out the change regardless of community feedback and then made the adjustments as necessary. It is what I would have done because it was obvious that CCs and so called “pro” players were going to vote against their nuke all shell when in real life APHE was only marginally better than Solid Shot AP.

But no, its more fun to nuke an ENTIRE tank through its cupola completely negating its armour. Got a an angled Tiger H1? Aim for the cupola, you’ll eliminate 3/5 crew members and then you just need to wait a few seconds for the radio operator to take up the gunner’s position, shoot that cupola gain and move on with your day. The APHE changes would’ve made the cupola shot practically useless so you’d have had to aim at the Tiger’s other crucial weakspots instead. Couldn’t pen from the front? do the American favourite: Shoot the tracks, barrel and flank, its what I do in my Shermans.

The way APHE just nukes the entire crew right now is dumb, especially from a shot where in real life the shell wouldn’t be doing catastrophic damage outside of maybe just giving the commander’s head a hot shave and bursting his eardrums.

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this solution will (and IT DEFINITELY WILL) bring lots of balance issues
i would look at the proposed changes differently is they also proposed some br changes to compliment them

it would be fine if they actually flanked… my t58 gets ONESHOT by a single api shell through the commander cupola FROM THE FRONT

thats a very infuriating way to die, especially when you don’t even have any counterplay (something like itpsv90 could be halfway through the map while you barely get out of spawn)

and i hate it, makes playing bmp1 and sheridan unbearable

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That’s a fair thing to bring up.
I hate the BMP-1 myself so I forget about it a lot.
Sheridan I haven’t touched in a month or 3, and there wasn’t really SPAA popularity then like there is now.
I play Sheridan cautiously so I think I’d fair okay now though.

BR changes would naturally have followed once the true effects and impact of the changes could have been analysed and studied.

Studied through an… I don’t know… a test?