I did, and I did not find any evidence that such variant of Vikhr missile exists, except that one article on very questionable website. And somehow missile manufacturer forgot to update their website…
It is more likely that the article is talking about the LMUR missile Izdeliye 305, which has the IR seeker and has range around 14km.
From what i dig around (not official source) it mention that 9M227M1, 9M227F, 9M227G2 are infra-red guided. Aren’t the same one as 9K127 Vikhr.
Some source with translate said it is latest versions of Vikhr. But some source also said it was new “series” missiles. Could be translate issue.
However it is clear that they aren’t the same one as 9K127 Vikhr
And 9M227 missile information are rather scarce. It could mean they did develope it but didn’t use it or it’s still classified. You would need a proper source to make a suggestion for this new missiles.
As for 9M227M2 passive radar seeker
“That is, it is designed to destroy enemy radar stations operating as part of air defense and missile defense systems, as well as other enemy radio-emitting systems.”
Basically SEAD missile.
https://www.pmulcahy.com/atgm/russian_atgm.htm
Nothing official but rather interesting nonetheless (has a Vikhr section near the bottom)
On the topic of the thread though, I do wish we’d get more variants of Russian ATGMs, rather than getting 1 then going onto something else
Like the upgraded Shturms and Ataka variants especially, I’d mention Khizantema-M since I’d personally love to have it on 28NM since its the best of both worlds russian ATGMs wise, but I can live without it for now.
Ahh yes, the single best heli ATGM needs to be better
(Based on poorly translated documents and supposition)
Love the forums xDDDD
Funny you should mention Khrizantema, because it’s mentioned in the vehicle description that KA-50/52 series were also armed with it, not just Mi-28NM, not only that also mentioned that it can be fired at 2 targets at once through split channels — one with beam guidance other with radar guidance, which is a feature only for the Khrizantema itself, but not the helis with the same exact missile, and which also have the hardware to make use of it, which is kind of strange, it’d make it a solid alternative to the vikhr especially with the bigger payload making 2 target tracking viable.
Also as I’ve come to realise is from the history of the vikhr, the Vikhr-1 was the name of the prototype which was not produced serially, (but was still accepted into service) and had a range of 8km in 1985, what we have in game is actually Vikhr-M which was actually accepted in 1990 with the range we know now as 10km. AT THE SAME TIME after the death of it’s original designer Shipunov, the Kalashnikov concern took over the making and conversely, developed further prototypes that I’ve mentioned, the info on the Kalashnikov website has not been updated because it’s accurate, it’s that the current day model is simply missing, as for WHY they didn’t think to include it is anyone’s guess.
They say the “prototypes” (which share the name Vikhr-1 but not the designation in the media outlets for some bizarre reason) are in serial production, how much of that is true is unknown, but I’d still make the distinction between the prototype Vikhr-1 and the serial vikhr-M, considering the range difference, especially since the ka-50 DOES need a nerf…
For the Mi-28N there is a underwing radar similar to the one on the Khrizantema. Maybe it can be used to track 2 missiles
That apparently for some board game Twilight 2000, not real data…
ruzzia receiving any QoL updates? NO this will be ruzzian bias and we don’t want it
least insane AlvisWisla take
you cant just add modern vikhrs (newer than agm 114l) , and just leave the other countries with outdated missiles.
source on that? really cant find it anywhere, all i see is 750mm or 800mm
Radar Vikhirs aren’t a thing.
SPIKEs aren’t new either.
https://www.airwar.ru/weapon/aat/vichr.html
https://btvt.info/3attackdefensemobility/vichr.htm
https://safe-rgs.ru/7055-aviacionnyy-protivotankovyy-raketnyy-kompleks-vihr.html
From what I’ve noticed Kalashnikov reuses the information on the Vikhr from the CB “Priborostroyenye”, the old developer of the Vikhr, and does not update the info from the prototype in any way, that includes range, penetration and newer models, they are published in the newsletters, books and expositions but not the official website or in pictures, as for why? I do not have the answer
That’s a kopyo-25 radar pod, it simply has more range than the N-025 found on the Mi-28NM, it’s more reliable allowing the iglas (like in the picture) to lock on earlier but otherwise redundant at closer ranges (the ones on ground maps in war thunder for example), the helicopter should be able to fire 2 at the same time regardless of if it has the radar pod I believe.
The manufacturer should know more, this is all purely speculation at this point.
Also there is A LOT and I mean A LOT of contradicting info on the Vikhr, including between news outlets, some say there’s 1 model, some say there’s 2, some say even 4 + further modifications, I seriously cannot make heads or tails of which is true and which is not since more or less all of them are official manuals
This would be a great time for a single totally not classified document to end the confusion…
Though I do want to believe that the Vikhr-1 is the beam guided 8km 700pen version since it’d fit their military weapon naming convention (as with the Ataka 9M120-1), and M variant being the “Modernised” variant with higher range and pen, I could be wrong, I could be right, there’s a lot of contradiction between sources as is so, I vote for gaijin to contact the manufacturer and enlighten us on it.
As far as I know, none of the 9M227 missiles were ever accepted into service or produced. The Kh-39 missile, which is currently used on Ka-52 and Mi-28 helicopters in Ukraine, can be considered as a replacement.
The missile is equipped with an optical homing head, an autopilot and a two-way communication system with the carrier. It is reported that there are two operating modes. In the first, the search and acquisition of the target is carried out before the release; after separation, the missile operates according to the “launch-and-forget” scheme. The second mode provides for the independent flight of the missile to a given area, after which the operator finds the target and takes it for tracking. Guidance is carried out automatically.
Well it seems that it’s one of the sources mistakenly calling 9M227 the Vikhr-1, I stand corrected for that, though it does say that 9M227 is the evolution of the Vikhr.
Nonetheless I would vote to distinguish the 8km 700pen non serial vikhr and the 10km 1000pen vikhr-M, and to give the Mi-28NM the ability to engage 2 targets at once with the khrizantema missiles, it may as well be a feature ALREADY, we just have no way to make use of it or test it since you can only track ONE target with helicopters, in which case it could be called a bug.
And distinguishing the Vikhr variants would allow gaijin to nerf the KA-50 scot free, which is something the community is longing for.
Vikhrs are still broken, so before adding another OP system Vikhrs should be corrected first.
Most pressing issue is how omnipotent this missile is against air targets.
IRL only footage demonstrating air to air capability is shooting down large, low speed bomber (gear down) in about a range of 3-4km, but in game it can pull quite lot of Gs despite being RAM missile with small control surfaces (if I remember correctly pulls better then a stinger despite being significantly heavier).
NOTE: Hit probability iaw manufacturer is 0.8 against moving target (ground target 30km/h), so how is the hit chance fast moving jet…
Also Ka-5X laser guidance cone does not narrows as it should therefore there is no risk of missile flying off the cone which is major concern IRL.
Also Vikhr has zero circular error in game.
So yeah Vikhr is wrongly represented in the game…
