Also there is A LOT and I mean A LOT of contradicting info on the Vikhr, including between news outlets, some say there’s 1 model, some say there’s 2, some say even 4 + further modifications, I seriously cannot make heads or tails of which is true and which is not since more or less all of them are official manuals
This would be a great time for a single totally not classified document to end the confusion…
Though I do want to believe that the Vikhr-1 is the beam guided 8km 700pen version since it’d fit their military weapon naming convention (as with the Ataka 9M120-1), and M variant being the “Modernised” variant with higher range and pen, I could be wrong, I could be right, there’s a lot of contradiction between sources as is so, I vote for gaijin to contact the manufacturer and enlighten us on it.
As far as I know, none of the 9M227 missiles were ever accepted into service or produced. The Kh-39 missile, which is currently used on Ka-52 and Mi-28 helicopters in Ukraine, can be considered as a replacement.
The missile is equipped with an optical homing head, an autopilot and a two-way communication system with the carrier. It is reported that there are two operating modes. In the first, the search and acquisition of the target is carried out before the release; after separation, the missile operates according to the “launch-and-forget” scheme. The second mode provides for the independent flight of the missile to a given area, after which the operator finds the target and takes it for tracking. Guidance is carried out automatically.
Well it seems that it’s one of the sources mistakenly calling 9M227 the Vikhr-1, I stand corrected for that, though it does say that 9M227 is the evolution of the Vikhr.
Nonetheless I would vote to distinguish the 8km 700pen non serial vikhr and the 10km 1000pen vikhr-M, and to give the Mi-28NM the ability to engage 2 targets at once with the khrizantema missiles, it may as well be a feature ALREADY, we just have no way to make use of it or test it since you can only track ONE target with helicopters, in which case it could be called a bug.
And distinguishing the Vikhr variants would allow gaijin to nerf the KA-50 scot free, which is something the community is longing for.
Vikhrs are still broken, so before adding another OP system Vikhrs should be corrected first.
Most pressing issue is how omnipotent this missile is against air targets.
IRL only footage demonstrating air to air capability is shooting down large, low speed bomber (gear down) in about a range of 3-4km, but in game it can pull quite lot of Gs despite being RAM missile with small control surfaces (if I remember correctly pulls better then a stinger despite being significantly heavier).
NOTE: Hit probability iaw manufacturer is 0.8 against moving target (ground target 30km/h), so how is the hit chance fast moving jet…
Also Ka-5X laser guidance cone does not narrows as it should therefore there is no risk of missile flying off the cone which is major concern IRL.
To be fair it’s only really good against static to low speed targets (speed relative to the shooter), but the statement about it “Pulling G’s” is incorrect because it’d imply it’s self-homing, which it is not, it can home in fine but it cannot do more than maybe 5-6G’s before becoming entirely uncontrollable.
It may be a “skill issue” kind of thing in my opinion, you do not engage a heavily armed opponent without a plan or knowing weak points head on do you? Not in planes not in tanks, so why is it suddenly an exception with helicopters? Engage them like you would a jet, send loose a missile and pull away before they get a lock, not only that you get a MAW warning about the Vikhr in any case to let you react, so, I cannot tell you much more but that it’s your own fault that the vikhr is THAT much of an issue.
Also shortage of footage? Plenty in Ukraine rn I’d say, not that much of it is published but there’s a lot of talk about Vikhrs being effective against drones in particular, also seen 2 clips of the shooter of a Ka-52 using Vikhrs, although it does have a margin of error you are correct, certainly enough to be visible and able to miss from about 8km, however it is manageable, and is not as much of a concern as you make it out to be. Also the missile in-game does have a margin of error once it’s booster runs out, it starts slowly spinning towards the end of its flight, which is consistent with how it is irl.
And it’s not about adding a new missile system, but nerfing the KA-50 through historical means…
And adding an alternative to the Vikhr making it less prevalent in the current meta…
Which is something you’re trying to achieve through extremely vague arguments and roundabouts ways, when there’s much easier methods.
So iaw to you missile which are not self homing are above the law of physics ? Don’t be ridiculous…
You speak like Russian Main with zero other nation experience, which you are.
Jets do not have MAW maybe except SU-25M3. Maybe in RB where are markes for missiles?
IR missiles does not work against Helis at all, and radars only if Heli howers 70+m AGL. Only reliable way is a gun which is highly risky.
Very few drones can do more then 250km/h but it is more about angular speed. There was one particular officially released vid where Ka-52 engaged stationary Bradley and it would miss without manual correction.
That is not an guidance error, that is control surfaces being less effective with dropping speed, And vikhr looses very little speed once booster is out.
I just told you several “historical” inaccuracies.
By adding something even more powerful like Hermes or LMUR… makes sense
I spet ton of time discussing with people who claimed that initial implementation of Vikhr is realistic and it can IRL guide all 12 missiles at once etc. It took years of total Vikhr dominance before GJ finally reviewed whole weapon system and implemented at least some of its constrains.
Yet NATOs primary helicopter based ATGM system does not have its BASIC function coded properly and behaves like a crap.
Only if we get AGM-114L and Brimstone that are capable of the same. Would be unfair to make one of the strongest helis in the game even stronger whilst other nations are left lacking still in their AGM capacity. Especially those on their helis.
brimstone and agm114L are significantly more capable against ground targets. as for air targets it doesnt appear like vikhrs have been used for that role very much, at least in ukraine
Who even uses vikhrs for a-a against planes as a primary weapon in sim. I think the only time I downed a plane with them was a slow a10. Iglas which you get 8 of are way more reliable for that
Iglas are the same potatoes missiles as stingers an can be flared, Vikhrs are used every battle against aerial targets with great success almost every battle. But You kind a know that …
I saw a guy a few days ago getting a load of kills with them in the Su-39 in Sim. I guess it just takes practice, but they do look quite effective when used right.
Ah I see… Ive seen the odd kill by them in that role but id guess mostly in a headon, though unlike most other nations, you actually have usable IR guided missiles which are simply easier. not too mention twice as many IR missiles as most other nations as well
