1.75 KD fair? In what world?
i dont know lets take for ex. mig25pd with radar missile against 10.0 with no flares(Shahak) bro even if it downtier its not balance also the mig25 is the fastest plane in game
Every early swept wing jet over-performs in sustained turn rate. This is because gaijin doesn’t understand wing efficiency.
Its hard to balance things like the Hunter or Ariete, they can sustain over 8G. Infinitely loop and turn with almost no loss of speed.
A MiG-21 IRL had much better performance compared to the earlier MiG-19-17-15 yet in game all of these jets will stomp a 21 in a pure dogfight.
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i mean… all the fighter needs to do is spiral your fat ass and you will never be able to follow him up, they can then drop back down and collect their free kill, the reason the A10 is a pos to deal with is 30g all aspect bs or 4 irccm sticks of doom and the fact theres always other enemies around the a10 meaning you can’t focus him down without risking a third party.
From someone who played it a lot this is
- people who go toward you at super high height and closing speed at start of match are 70% odds to die to the r530
- the premium 9.7 mig21 has gotten to be very popular especially during sales who try and out radar you
3)at least a year ago it almost always got downtier, somehow had really good matchmaking
The vehicle is unfair in downtiers but also stomped in any uptier. J35 has 4 9j at the same rating and I believe better speed turn and acceleration.
Stats don’t always tell the full story; the r530 is just extremely good at killing less experienced players. Should we balance off of that? Thats for the player base to decide. It’s just like the f14iriaf
In Sep 2024?
AFAIK, Gaijin nerfed the wing drags according to the historical document
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/DmMMgQwbSm1c
(Thanks to VF21, which gave me the link to the report back on Nov’ 2025)
According to the report, nerf of F-104 was followed by
Source:
T.O. 1F-104A-1
F-104A, B, C & D
U.S.A.F. SERIES AIRCRAFT
FLIGHT
MANUAL
1 June 1968
Sustained turn rate - page 443
Instantaneous turn rate - pages 249 and 234
So, I am still suspicious about Pangolin’s ‘Ahistorical’ nerf take.
Sounds more like F-15E FM nerf, which dropped a few hours after the update release, historical one.
Well, maybe if you don’t turnfight at all, but just press the advantage of speed against subsonics, maybe there are chance of not recognise the nerf. they still have rocket-like engine power.
I’m actually curious to know who wins in an equal fight, I havent flown the J35D but I would still put my money on the IIIC since its ligher
Never been worried about starfighters at basically any BR since they turn like a brick. They just have good guns, at 9.3. Aim 9b’s are a non-issue. They’re just incredibly fast, so for 8.3’s, they’re untouchable, which is annoying af.
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The range on the J’s is not good at all, very comparable to the R60, but they’re so much faster than anything under it outside of a starfighter, and most planes lower in BR don’t even get flares.
Yep, thats a good summation of the F-104. It’s annoying, but it’s also very weak and can be ignored 90% of the time.
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Skill issue I don’t think I’ve ever had an issue fighting the J35XS.
Go fight it in a 9.3 and say the same thing
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so where just straight up spreading miss information okay the MAX flight range for the AIM-9J is 18KM the max For R60M is 15KM
The real problem of 9.3 is the ariete and f106 but everyone still calls 104 the problem lol
When you’re in something at its rating or above there’s not really an issue. It literally rinses the whole lobby almost in any downtier though unless you get something like 21S or f106 with very good performance behind him and just stay behind them the whole match.
Also the whole “low countermeasures!” argument is ridiculous. It makes you unable to braindead spam or pre use them in a headon but getting fired upon 6 times in one match is pretty unlikely.
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That’s not an “it will reach this” range, it’s an “it may reach this, and if it does, it can’t go further” range. It’s not the same as the common effective range.
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aim 9J still has way more range on average saying R60 has the same is just wrong
They are very comparable. The speed of the plane matters more than the missile itself when the difference in range is so small.
they arent tho because the AIM-9J pulls less it maintains speed way better than its R60 counter part
its more effeicient allowing it too reach said ranges far easier than a R60 can
it dumps a lot of speed to keep up with a target if he turns