Ah, fair enough. Would be a nice change-up if it replaced M61 outright.
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Do you mean 🅱️ESH?
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We want a round that works not leaving 18 dents from the previous shells that did nothing on the roof of Tigers while Gaijin is showing it off
I think this would be a fun way to distinguish the British Sherman, Churchill NA 75 and (hopefully) the Grant Mk.II while also potentially spicing up the OQF 75mm.
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Say like modification for the Grant and all of the later, higher BR OQF 75mm guns :)
Nice suggestion, fun fact. Germany did the same, kind of.
With the invasion of Poland, many french 7,5 cm 1897 guns fell into german hands. Which is also the basis for the US gun. And germany produced own ammo for the 1897 guns, they produced own 350mm casings and gave them the K.Gr. Pz (p), which is an adapted K.Gr. Pz for the Polish / French guns with an already reworked driving band.
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I agree for the most part, but the NA 75 and most QF 75 armed tanks entered service a bit late for them to likely have used these stopgap rounds.
Not like this is the kind of logic that has stopped Gajin before, but I think it would be more fitting to just give the later tanks the proper M61A1 APHE we know they had. Regardless, these composite rounds still have a place for sure in-game on the Grant, and possibly the Sherman II.
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Did germany use any vehicles with the m1897 gun? The K.gr. Pz (p) would be a cool way to add some german flavor to a vehicle with the captured gun.
Yes, Ghosti has a suggestion for one here.
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Well the above mentioned converted T-26, but also a Universal carrier.
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I wish I could upvote this more than once.
British QF 75s need both M61 APHE and this round.
And while we’re at it, let’s give all 6-pounders M86 APHE too. After all, Britain operated all but one of the T18E2 Boarhounds produced in the North Africa campaign. Simultaneously, American 57mm gun regiments used British 6-pdr APDS at Bulge, implying that the American rounds are cross-compatible with the British gun just as much as the reverse was true. This aligns with Wikipedia saying the US 57mm M1 and the British 6-pounder are the same damn gun.
Has anyone found concrete evidence of British 6-pounder cannons ever using US M86? The best I could find was an old report stating more than a million M86 rounds were shipped to British forces as a part of Lend-Lease.
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+1. I do not know why this is not a feature yet. It should’ve been an additional modification for every British vehicle that could use it.
couldn’t any British tree vehicle fitted with the American 75mm use this round? like the Shermans and the churchill?
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This is all I’ve seen at the moment to indicate the British at least had a fair bit of US 57 mm ammo in their possession. Idk weather or not they actually used in combat on a regular basis, but at least we know they had it. So it would make more sense for a Crusader III to get M86 than for the Sherman II to be firing T45 APCR.
A lot of 6pdr tanks would probably need to go up in BR if they got a round with proper post-pen damage, but most of the tanks that would need this treatment are already implemented in very scuffed states, and could receive other historical buffs to compensate for higher BR.
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Wait, the British 75mm with APHE? Cromwell with APHE? Yes please! +1
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Would be kinda weird for a late war tank that never fought in North Africa to fire a mid-war, improvised round from it which only existed in pretty limited quantity. It’s not like we just can’t find any other APHE round, and that this is the only option for all 75 mm British tanks. Filled M61/M61A1 is right there and is known to have been used by GB.
I think the only reason we have no form of APHE for the QF 75, weather that be AP-Composite or filled M61/M61A1, is that it would have BR change implications for a lot of vehicles. I think most players would be fine with their Cromwell V being at 3.7 instead of 3.3 in exchange for actually killing targets on center of mass shots, but ig Gajin doesn’t see it that way for one reason or another.
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I have seen the same documents as you. Plus also a document stating US 57mm airborne divisions being issued British APDS for use at Bulge. If the American gun can shoot British ammo without issue, it is heavily implied that the reverse is also true…given that Wikipedia says they are the same damn gun with different manufacturers.
Wait, you mean 6 pounder could get APHEBC as well? That is the best news for British lmao
Theoretically yes, but I’m personally not as insistent British 6-pdr tanks get APHE.
The QF 75 was made with the express purpose of firing imported US ammunition, so it makes sense they should fire filled M61(A1). Especially since almost every tank armed with the QF 75 is from later in the war when fuzing was made more reliable.
The 6-pdr, on the other hand, could predominantly rely on domestic ammunition production, so they would’ve probably wanted to avoid the logistical hassle that comes with dealing with more round types not produced to their own standards and specifications. It’s still pretty likely they used US rounds in some capacity when domestic ammunition was not readily accessible in the field, or for gunnery training, but that’s purely speculation based off just that one image of an arms exports list I found on Discord.
If someone can find some better confirmation of M86 used in the field by the Brits, then I’m all for it being added. But I don’t think we should try to “fix” British tanks based off speculation just to give them a round that actually kills tanks when you pen them. That’s too convenient, and therefore, the core issue that solid shot sucks massively will continue to go unaddressed.
Sure, the 6-pdr has plausible access to a more reliable round, but what do we do when a tank has no such possibility; or is stock, purely relying on uncapped solid shot. Should we just be complacent with the game’s handling of solid shot and accept that the tank will feel underwhelming? Obviously not, hence why I think our energy is better spent advocating for a rework of kinetic damage that will benefit the game as a whole rather than purely advancing the interest of British mains.
… rant over :P
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Well, I guess a few years ago, someone mentioned that, and we can submit as suggestion;Community Bug Reporting System