75mm A.P.C.B.C.H.E. 'AP-Composite' ammunition for the British - Ingenuity in the Desert

I agree in principle, but the fact is, despite constant pushes for it, Gaijin has had 10 years to address the huge disparity in performance between full calibre solid shot and APHE (which has absolutely no basis in reality), and yet they have failed to do so.

Yeah, in an ideal world, ammunition selection at low tier would actually be balanced (you’d think this would be a pretty low bar), but it isn’t, and that doesn’t seem like it is going to change. So the next best option is unfortunately to beg for scraps of APHE wherever they can be found.

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Cause the vote failed to pass and every time I think about it, it takes the potential fun out of any vehicle that relies on non-meta ammo and we’ll see USSR, Germ and USA APHE completely dominate for another ten years.

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As I remember it, the vote failed because people didn’t trust gaijin to implement it correctly, not because it was a bad idea. Gaijin haven’t made any more suggestions (that I’ve seen, at least) or pushes since that, which indicates they aren’t that interested in addressing it any longer.
So they still fail to do anything about, likely because they aren’t interested in fixing it.

as a german main who has never touched a british tank but has heard horror stories about british ap id give them that so maybe the stories get a bit less

People talk bad about British AP way too much but pzgr is just better in everyway the 17pdr is personally in my top 5 when it comes to guns

you are legit the first person who has ever said something positive about british guns that I have seen. like EVER.

congrats on being the first one for me to witness

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Meh they aren’t bad at all they take awhile to get used to if yk you only use aphe from a tiger or whatever

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Is the conversion done with a relatively unmodified casing from an M72?

Standardized rounds like M72, unfilled M61, and filled M61 all used different propellent weights to keep velocity consistent despite differences in shell mass, but this hybrid round isn’t necessary up to the same standard.

We’ve been assuming it was similar velocity to filled M61, but if they didn’t alter propellent from the original M72 round, the velocity would closer to ~565 m/s (~90 mm pen @ 10 m).

Yeah

Are we talking about the shorter M2 75 in the Grant or the longer M3 of the Sherman etc for this velocity?

The German projectile is less than 500 grams heavier than the US projectile so I don’t imagine the velocity would drop more than a few m/s.

Despite M61 now being APHE on British tank guns, this would still be a fun round to be added. It would give some serious flavor to the Grant (tech tree Mk.II when) and Churchill NA75. It also wouldn’t be too difficult to implement.

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I meant for the M2 gun. For the M3, it would be closer to 600 m/s (~98 mm @ 10 m) assuming no propellent change from M72.

Ignore this ig.
From how this paragraph is worded, it’s implied that they were using a ~32 oz charges, similarly to M61, but in cartridges not intended for it, leading to issues in earlier rounds. So we could assume that the velocity of AP-Composite is similar to M61.

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Another photo and some more fantastic info covering these rounds, confirming the history and ‘AP-Composite’ (or ‘Composite-AP’) name. I’ll update the post shortly.

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Interesting, that they also modified the Sprgr.34 and K.Gr. Nb aparently.
And did i understand correctly, that Germany recaptured the ammo? (Tho of course, unknown if used?)

Well, it does say they discarded it at the bottom.