About the “armor”. Any APHE at the BR can pen the mantlet. If it has overpressure capabilities, it will nuke the crew.
If not, hitting the right side of the mantlet, even with such weak APHE as the Panther’s, it will damage/blow up the ready rack ammo.
Cupola can also be penned by APHE.
Almost impossible to pull of in a live game even with the angle mods of the BR-471B. With any other shell you shouldn’t even try to hit that.
It can lolpen somewhat often, but the main issue is consistency. The round is prone to shatters, hates angled armor, and produces shockingly little spall, especially for lighter armored vehicles. Unless you hit ammo directly, it’s entirely possible to not cripple a tank you’re firing at. Leopards in particular can be a nightmare. The mantlet can shatter, the UFP can bounce the round if angled, and the side armor is so weak unless you nail the ammo you might only kill 1/2 crew. This won’t always happen of course, but the fact that it’s a dice roll is what makes the Conq so annoying to play.
Add on to this the fairly substantial inaccuracy at mid/long range, which makes those accurate ammo rack shots even harder, plus the reload of 20 seconds, and taking out spacious tanks and/or tanks at long range can be incredibly tedious. The armor is fine, the mobility is fine, the gun handling is fine, it’s just that combination of poor post pen damage, poor accuracy and long reload that kill the tank for me.
If they were the M103 would have a 12 second aced reload and not 14.9. That giant turret existed for a reason.
Same for the poor Maus. Even more big turret, 2 loaders and need 23.6 seconds for load a 9.85 Kg shell.
Meanwhile the IS-6 loading a 25 kg shell in 2 parts only with 1 loader in and small cramped turret only 16 seconds…
One of the loaders on the Maus is for the coaxial 75 mm cannon if I’m not mistaken. As well as the reload being made for the 128 mm rounds, not the 128/88.
The IS-6 I’ve read has a load assist device of some kind on top of being a premium tank.
Maus and Jagdtiger use 2 loaders and same loading process so the second loader can assist the main gun or load the secondary.
I know, but looks like for Gaijin is “extremly difficult” just add a separate loading times…
Maus suffer the same love than another German tanks like the oversized colision model for completely useless S-minen launchers can block the Tiger 1 gun or the useless night vision device in Panther 2 only is there for block the main gun and made the tank more visible.
Especially the long American 90mms that have an absurdly long reload because its 2 piece ammo. Definitely not good enough to warrant a 17 second reload
Those reloads are by far the worst part of those vehicles. Does anyone really think the T-26E1-1 would be OP at 6.7 if it had the same reload as a KT? Similar mobility, much worse armor… five seconds longer reload time.
Good point and even some of the other 6.7 reloads are also way too long. T26E1-1 or all IS-2s. The Super Pershing wouldn’t be too good even with a shorter reload as long as the hull armor is underperforming massively. If it had a similar hull with a similar gun and a trollier turret that has the downside of more weakspots it would be much better.
9kg is only the weight of the shell itself but when you consider the weight of the proppelant and the sabot it’s weight is similar to the full caliber 128mm.
Here you have the weights.
Are you sure those numbers are correct? I don’t doubt it weighs less but thats quite a huge difference and info about this round is not always verifiable. Changing the reload based on the round used would be a nice feature for the Maus and it’s the same mechanic they use on some tanks that can fire ATGMs.
Personally i think yes. For example, PzG. 43 weight match with we have ingame so looks like Gaijin think this table is accurate.
The more funny is this feature is already in the game. The BMP-3 gun reload speed change when you select ATGM or HE.
But for Gaijin Germans tanks dont care a sh-t.
Personally i think yes. For example, PzG. 43 weight match with we have ingame so looks like Gaijin think this table is accurate.
Seems to be accurate enough for them to add it if they consider manufacturer information as real.
The more funny is this feature is already in the game. The BMP-3 gun reload speed change when you select ATGM or HE.
Thats what I ment with the barrel launched ATGMs.
But for Gaijin Germans tanks dont care a sh-t.
StuG 4 when?
its still a very good heavy i dont see why people struggle
Exactly. and ofc people will stilll say “wEll tHe 90 iS bEttEr bEcAuSe iT hAs mOrE eXpLoSiVe fiLLeR” its not that OP, it has less pen and double reload time
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone say that the long 90 mm is better than the long 88…
Only not because of reload, but ive seen people say its fair because the filler is good.
It’s only worse due to the reload if it was faster I think it would be better or at least equal to the long 88. I prefer the long 90mm as the angle pen seems a lot more consistent and the HE is nice to have too but as long as the L71 reloads twice as fast it’s no contest.