7,62 cm Flak L/30 auf Flakpanzer A7V

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I would like to suggest the 7,62 cm Flak L/30 auf Flakpanzer A7V (with the armor), which was the first fully tracked SPAA in history and made near the end of WW1 based on the Überlandwagen A7V which was a open flatbed variant of the A7V tank.

In game while slow would give acceptable firepower (adequat velocity and penetration, with overpressure, and good fire rate 2x) which could even be used against the low Br slower planes.
Against WW1 tanks and better against planes than the 7,7 cm Flak L/27, duo to higher velocity, however lack of AP shells, instead a thick walled Steel HE shell was also used against tanks.

In game allready there is the Char 2C and overall an additional WW1 mode would be nice, this Flakpanzer A7V would bring great firepower with relatively good mobility, both against WW1 planes and Tanks including WW2 tanks. Placing it sideways to aim with both guns at 1 target would bring very high fire rate with great firepower, at the cost of speed and survivablility.

The Überlandwagen Geländewagen A7V was build from 1917 to 1918 with 30 produced of which 3 were converted to Flak auf Überlandwagen A7V / Flakpanzer A7V, with rather cheap armarment of 1 with 2x russian captured 7,62 cm Flak L/30 (which where 7,62 cm 1902/30 guns, these were not drilled out because the steel was too brittle, instead germany used the captured ammo as well as produced own 2x HE and Incendary Shrapnell grenades).
With the other 2 beeing armed with 7,7 cm Flak L/27 (which are based on 7,7 cm FK 96 n.A.), while the intended later armarment would have been 7,7 cm Flak L/35 (based on the 7,7 cm FK 16 L/35).

Equipped were these vehicles with over all 2x 7,7 cm Flak L/27 1 on each flatbed surrounded by ammo container on the flatbed. And one with 2x 7,62 cm Flak L/30 guns.

The first protoype was also aparently equipped with some armor for the Driver and commander in the middle, while the other 2 only retained the Holding frame for the armor also reused to hold a canvas.

History of the Überlandwagen Geländewagen A7V.
The situation from 1915 to 1916 was allready becoming dire as the contentors Germany, Britain and france came into a stalemate. To break through the dead mans land filled with barbed wire, shelled though and with Mg Positions, britain and france developed the Tanks, which could withstand the Mg fire and could lead the advance of the infantry.
Germany followed with its own development of 20 A7V tanks as well as later 2 incomplete K-Wagen and more other tank projects. While the A7V itself wasnt the best, the OHl ordered overall 100 chassis to be build of which these were used to devlop other vehicles upon, including the Flakpanzer A7V.


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The Guns:
2x 7,62 cm Flak L/30 (7,62 cm 1902 L/30 gun (Russian origin)
76,2x385mmR ammo
336 or more ammo (168 rounds or more per gun).
-5° to +70° Elevation, 360° Traverse
20-25 Rpm

The converted Rusiian 7.62-cm M1902 guns are quite interesting. They basically just took the gun out of its old carriage and put it in a new one for AA use. The mounts used on motor vehicles are usually the Rheinmetall or the Henschel mounts. The easiest way to differentiate them is that the Rheinmetall has a piston to help lift the barrel on the front of the mount, while the Henschel does not.


Ammo of 7,62 cm Flak L/30 (Click to show)
Stahlgr. (Saphe/He) 6,0 kg 0,39 kg Amatol (491,4g TnTa) 598m/s ~20-30mm/10m

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Flakgr. (He) 6,8 kg 340g Fp.70/30 (428,4 g TnTa) 590m/s

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Br.Shrap.Gr. (Incendary Shrapnell-TF) 6,8 kg 0,167 kg Blackpowder 590m/s

6 Rows of 5 Segments of Incendary Pellets, Made of Bariumnitrate-Magnesium-Resin of 13g each.
Works like a Crude WW1 AHEAD round, with a timed fuze mid flight ejecting the Incendary Pellets onto the Airtarget.

I think the Drawing is the wrong one, it should look more like the 7,7 cm version.
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The Vehicle:
Flakpanzer A7V
Dimensions: 7,34 x 3,1 x 3,3 m
Crew; 9-10 (In game rather 3x per gun, and Driver and commander in the middle so 8)
Weight: 30 - 33 ton
Engine: 2x 6 Cylinder Daimler engines 200 Ps
Speed: 15 km/h
Armor: 8mm

Source:
Notes on German Shells 1918 (Second Edition)
Deutsche Artillerie- und Minenwerfermunition 1914-1918
Die 7,62 cm Flak L/30
German Panzers 1914-18 (Steven J Zaloga)
Tankograd World War one Special A7V First of the Panzers

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that would make for an extremely interesting vehicle

Would be fun in Rank 1. +1

The only WW1 tank that can be used right now

Strange WW1 Panzer. Looks interesting, why not.

It’s a A7V chassis correct me if I got the name wrong I usually all ways do maybe it’s U not V

A7V, its for Abteilung 7 Verkehrswesen (Department 7 Transportation)

Its a Überlandwagen A7V, they use the same basic chassis.

Same vehicle with 7,7 cm Flak

So I was right with the Name?