thats hitting fuel or something very ready to go kaboom.
Incendiarys blast is more like this video
don’t expect your .50 cal to do that when hitting nothing flammable
2 Likes
If that’s the case. Why don’t we get explosions like that?
Is it so hard to understand that this fireball is caused by fuel blowing up, and not by the miraculous power of 2.2g flash powder?
What are trying to argue here?
Pump a plane full of .50cal rounds and it’s going down. We know that.
So what are you trying to prove here? That everytime you hit a Bf 109s fuel tank with M1 Incendiary it should cause a catastrophic fuel explosion?
I’m not saying that this should be normal damage or this is “What happened” all the time.
But obviously we’re seeing destruction here that can’t be achieved in-game with how .50s are. I have NEVER in my life of playing war thunder seen a full on fuel explosion from a .50.
Because since day one of the game we still didn’t get proper HE blast (any explosion type) simulation yet they use very simplified solution - sphere.
1 Like
we do.
50cals are completely fine yall are whining to much this is why IS2 1944 got moved to 6.7
same reason half of russian planes are undertiered
Never seen them happen. All I have seen are fires. No explosions
You can literally blow a B-17 wing off with 2 20mm rounds. Japanese 12.7mm can blacken entire P-47 wings off with an average of 2 rounds, Russian 12.7mm Berezin IAI can do the exact same and even blacken some wings with a single shot.
It’s legitimately not fair for every other country in the game to have 12.7s that can detonate you easily while the U.S. has to be HIGHLY specific on the convergence they fire at and make sure they hit a fuel tank or the pilot or else they do no damage. At the same time, the ability to start fires in .50s have been nerfed greatly compared to previous years
If they won’t buff US ones surely the others are over performing
you can do that with 2 .50 cal too. difference is that a 20mm is 8mm larger in diameter so of course it’s gonna do it better.
mf whos never played other nations but USA for enough time to learn how a vehicle works. all .50 browning is the exact same across all nations who use it, this isn’t a “USA suffers” its a “USA skill issue”
Also you have a incredible K/D in the p47 which uses .50 browning why are you whining they obviously work very well
they are the exact same hes being nonsensical mate
Japan 12.7 is 12.7x81, it should be worse in every way
1 Like
smaller cartridge so lower velocity, the bullet will be same diameter. the difference is in the actual shot, do you have the differences in explosive or incendiary fillers? as tbh from using the jap 13.2mms on the NK9H I could not tell you the difference in damage between that and a .50 browning
| Gun | Designation | Caliber | Type | Velocity | Weight | Explosive | Incendiary | Additional Features | Fuze Type |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Browning AN/M2 .50cal | M8 API | 12.7mm | API | 874m/s | 42.9g | - | 0.97g Flash powder | 25.9g Hardened Steel Core | Fuzeless |
| Browning AN/M2 .50cal | M20 API-T | 12.7mm | API-T | 899m/s | 40.4g | - | 1.16g Flash powder | 23.6g Hardened Steel Core | Fuzeless |
| Browning AN/M2 .50cal | M1 Incendiary | 12.7mm | Incendiary | 911m/s | 41.3g | - | 2.2g Flash powder | 14.7g Hollow Steel Tube | Fuzeless |
| Browning AN/M2 .50cal | M23 Incendairy | 12.7mm | Incendiary | 1036m/s | 33.2g | - | 5.83g Flash powder | IM-28 Incendiary | Fuzeless |
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| Ho-103 | Ma 103 | 12.7mm | HEI | 803.5m/s | 34.4g | ~0.6g RDX | 1g Flash powder | - | Striker |
| Ho-103 | Ma 102 | 12.7mm | HEI | ~800m/s | 32.2g | 1.65g PETN + RDX | 1g Flash powder | - | Fuzeless |
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| Berezin UB | B-32 | 12.7mm | API | 820m/s | ~49g | - | ~1g Flash powder | - | Fuzeless |
| Berezin UB | BZT | 12.7mm | API-T | 850m/s | ~45.8g | - | ~1g Flash powder | - | Fuzeless |
| Berezin UB | BZF-46 | 12.7mm | API | 840m/s | ~46.5g | - | ~1.2g WP | WP behind steel core | Fuzeless |
| Berezin UB | MD | 12.7mm | HE | 845-860m/s | ~44g | 1.9g PETN | - | ~0.1g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| Berezin UB | MD-46 | 12.7mm | HE | 875-890m/s | ~43g | 2.4g PETN | - | - | Air Compression |
| Berezin UB | MDZ-46 | 12.7mm | HEI | 845-860m/s | ~43.5g | 1.65g PETN | 1.2g Flash powder | - | Air Compression |
| Berezin UB | MDZ-3 | 12.7mm | HEI | 875-890m/s | ~38.5g | 1.9g PETN | 1.3g Flash powder | - | Air Compression |
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | - | 12.7mm | API | 760m/s | ~37g | - | Probably around 1g of WP | 20.8g steel core | Fuzeless |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | - | 12.7mm | API-T | 760m/s | ~37.2g | - | Proabably around 1-1.5g of Thermite | 11.2g steel core | Fuzeless |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | S | 12.7mm | HE | 760m/s | 36g | ~0.8g PETN | - | ~0.25g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | SI | 12.7mm | HEI | 760m/s | 36g | ~0.15g PETN | ~1g Flash powder w/ TNT | ~0.25g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | SIT | 12.7mm | HEI-T | 760m/s | 37.5g | ~0.15g PETN | ~0.6g Flash powder w/ TNT | ~0.25g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| MG 131 | Pz.Brd | 13mm | API (WP) | 710m/s | 38g | - | 0.86g WP | Very poor ballistics | Fuzeless |
| MG 131 | Sprgr.-L’spur | 13mm | HE-T | 750m/s | 34g | 1.17g PETN | - | 0.2g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| MG 131 | Brsprgr.-L’spur | 13mm | HEI-T | 750m/s | 34g | 0.9g PETN | 0.3g Elektron Thermite | 0.2g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| MG 131 | Brgr.-L’spur | 13mm | Inc-T | 770m/s | 32g | - | ~2.6g Flash powder | Sheet steel cap | Percussion Cap |
| MG 131 | Brgr.-L’spur | 13mm | Inc-T | 750m/s | 34g | - | 2.2g Flash powder | Final model | Percussion Cap |
| MG 131 | Brgr. | 13mm | Inc | 770m/s | 32g | - | ~4.0g Flash powder | Sheet steel cap | Percussion Cap |
4 Likes
wow so the japanese stuff is significantly worse.
makes sense this is 1940s japan we are talking about.
According to wiki 13.2x99 Hotchkiss on Japanese planes has less energy and velocity than .50 BMG on US stuff
But maybe the weight of the round (depending on what you use) makes it more similar in damage
1 Like
Are you sure about that? Are you really sure about that? are you REALLY REALLY REALLY SURE about that? Because 1 round barely makes it yellow.
A single Jap .50 has the capacity to do this.
Russian incendiary
Such a skill issue. Yes. I have such a skill issue that my bullets just simply do no damage while some random crapbox Ki-44 can click me once or twice and my plane turns to mush.
He survived this with no fire btw.
.50s are at the second most weakest point they’ve ever been as gaijin has removed almost any and all structural damage form the round. Unless you shoot DIRECTLY where the fuselage is at, and line up your convergence JUST PERFECTLY. Then you can do something. Some random Mig-3 can click me once or twice and his 12.7s obliterate me. Meanwhile, ANY. ANY round with even a tinkly wink of ‘explosive filler’ no matter how small hits like a truck due to ‘realshatter’.
The only time the .50 was weaker than what we have currently was when gaijin nerfed it back in 2014/2015 where it was a guaranteed firestarter. They nerfed it so hard, that API-T didn’t work anymore and you had to use GROUND TARGETS to do any reasonable damage.
Russian 12.7x108 should be slightly better than US .50 BMG but not that much better
2 Likes
using omni purpose ammo vs specialised ammo how fair and equal and totally not poor show from you at all for this comparison plus you should know by now that protection analysis is always squiffy.
you’re mad you got outplayed and are blaming the ammo.
must not have hit anything to catch fire. we all are taking minimum fuel 95% of the time its not surprising
third weakest. the Japanese .50cal is worse. and who would guess the 12mm is worse than a 20 or 30mm.
nose mounted, much easier to smack your pilot or fuselage fuel tank.
russian 12.7 is also a smidge better than .50 browning
this is a cope bost bro
1 Like