Do you have more information on the explosive used in the .50 cals? I’d like to look it up some so I can see if we can get an HE modifier/code added to the .50 cal rounds (at least internally).
From a microfilm from the USAAF, it seems like the gap between 15mm, 20mm, and 30mm destruction was pretty considerable (for German shells): 50 cal (high rate of fire) vs 20mm cannon (hitting power) | Page 3 | Aircraft of World War II - WW2Aircraft.net Forums
Bk-5 mentioned. Wohooooo!!!11elf!
oh no the smaller bullet is doing less damage what could possibly cause this!!!
how has this thread lasted a year
I’ve been today years old when I learnt that killing planes by getting them torched is not actually killing them.
This was one of the most awful revalations I’d have ever learnt…
Ki-61-I Hei needs a serious buff because I think at least 2 out of 3 kills I have with it were due to the enemy plane catching on fire and the pilot getting roasted rather than cutting a tail off or severing a wing.
I never realized I left so many of my targets alive!
yea them being on fire doesnt garantee they cant limp home. Ive been able to fly home on one wing after a burnout hundreds of times.
.50 incendiary is amazing but you need to keep on them until you see them fall apart
you know what does need buffs MG-151 they have 3 times the explosive filler of Shvak cannons but do less damage they have 18Grams of HA-41 and shvaks are Filled with 6 grams of Tetryl which is weaker
I dunno man. I trust the gubment book more than your intuition. Like I stated before. Airframes were exceptionally varied throughout the war, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this is just a showcase to how thin bf-109 airframes were compared to most U.S. airframes. I also consider it highly unlikely that it was M23 as well as that was used REALLY late into the war
Right, and having a weapon bank on aircraft having an easily accessible fuel tank to hit is really fun. I love shooting at a Bf-109 only ticking his wings even though I shoved easily 50 rounds almost in it at that point.
Basically. I even said in the OP to have it be like swede ammo or a little bit less. If everyone else can have stupid damage. Let U.S. .50s get stupid damage too. U.S. .50s are at one of their weakest points now compared to when they literally had near 100% fire rates and fires were death sentences until Gaijin tried to course correct. Due to the fixed ‘real shatter’ cannons, and to be fair anything that had ‘high explosive’ in it’s name, are now at their strongest. If you wanna go for realism, then hilariously enough, the ‘bugged’ realshatter was more realistic as they were no longer 1 shot guns that instantly obliterated people, but you needed to burst with. But considering Gaijin is balancing damage purely off of gameplay. It makes no sense to me why every country usually have a multitude of aircraft with guns that kill with Minimal effort while U.S. (The planes with some of the hardest play styles in the game) have to be very specific with how they use their guns and get either fuel fires or pilot snipes.
12.7mm HEF can blacken a wing in two shots. Now from other angles, it can be a bit iffy but it’s mostly consistent that a good chunk of your shots will do a lot of damage, and I believe that some rounds not doing anything is not ‘as gaijin intended’ but a weird quirk as I believe most of the damage is coming from fragments that strike the same surface, doing more damage. This explains why you’ll sometimes take shots that do minimal damage while others you out right obliterate the guy.
As KillaKiwi showed, some rounds can do jack all and I believe that’s due to the fact that the filler amount is small enough that the game runs into trouble calculating fragmentation damage. You can see this happen a bit on the swedish 13mms though not to such an exaggerated extent. But the absolute minimal damage you can get should not be taken as the norm.
This seems consistent with the damage on my other surfaces from this replay. I was tickled with two shots and it instantly blackened a section of my wing.
thats hitting fuel or something very ready to go kaboom.
Incendiarys blast is more like this video
don’t expect your .50 cal to do that when hitting nothing flammable
If that’s the case. Why don’t we get explosions like that?
Is it so hard to understand that this fireball is caused by fuel blowing up, and not by the miraculous power of 2.2g flash powder?
What are trying to argue here?
Pump a plane full of .50cal rounds and it’s going down. We know that.
So what are you trying to prove here? That everytime you hit a Bf 109s fuel tank with M1 Incendiary it should cause a catastrophic fuel explosion?
I’m not saying that this should be normal damage or this is “What happened” all the time.
But obviously we’re seeing destruction here that can’t be achieved in-game with how .50s are. I have NEVER in my life of playing war thunder seen a full on fuel explosion from a .50.
Because since day one of the game we still didn’t get proper HE blast (any explosion type) simulation yet they use very simplified solution - sphere.
we do.
50cals are completely fine yall are whining to much this is why IS2 1944 got moved to 6.7
same reason half of russian planes are undertiered
Never seen them happen. All I have seen are fires. No explosions
You can literally blow a B-17 wing off with 2 20mm rounds. Japanese 12.7mm can blacken entire P-47 wings off with an average of 2 rounds, Russian 12.7mm Berezin IAI can do the exact same and even blacken some wings with a single shot.
It’s legitimately not fair for every other country in the game to have 12.7s that can detonate you easily while the U.S. has to be HIGHLY specific on the convergence they fire at and make sure they hit a fuel tank or the pilot or else they do no damage. At the same time, the ability to start fires in .50s have been nerfed greatly compared to previous years
If they won’t buff US ones surely the others are over performing
you can do that with 2 .50 cal too. difference is that a 20mm is 8mm larger in diameter so of course it’s gonna do it better.
mf whos never played other nations but USA for enough time to learn how a vehicle works. all .50 browning is the exact same across all nations who use it, this isn’t a “USA suffers” its a “USA skill issue”
Also you have a incredible K/D in the p47 which uses .50 browning why are you whining they obviously work very well
they are the exact same hes being nonsensical mate
Japan 12.7 is 12.7x81, it should be worse in every way
