When I still has PTSD for 2016 Tu-4 💀
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2016 all over again baby
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i like these guns just like most weapons in this game they will have funny moments 30 mm cannon shots from 262s if they managed to hit devastated allied bombers leaveing human sized holes in aircraft you can look up photos 50cals do not need a buff they are very accurate at long range and set fire often. German 151s are very inconsistent damage wise on stock belts but are very good other whys
Unless your using Universal belts or tracer, its not good for other such that and due to Gaijin awhile back nerfing them a bit
Here’s a Spitfire hit by three 20mm rounds.
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No bullet drop? You sure? They’ve been given the MG 151 treatment where they slow down to a snail’s pace past 500m.
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Yall really still yapping about this, They do not need a buff
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Funny how the tail isn’t missing…
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I’m not sure which cannons or MGs have better trajctory and lower drag than .50cals.
It’s easy to hit with them even at 1km, as they have a very flat ballistic curve.
I once set a He 111 on fire, firing with from 1.5km while being below the bomber.
Outright impossible with some 20mm cannons.
Maybe the swede 13.2mm? They are just better then .50s in general, I think. Vulcans too, probably.
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USA CAS main lol
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I don’t play GRB
Your statistics do not say the same
Looks like AP rounds and not HEI… And if HEI they likely didn´t explode coz they didn´t hit any harder structural parts ecpect the thin outer shell of the Spit. You need some impactforce to trigger the explosive to go boom.
Man some people really have vivid imaginiations 😄
Here’s the other side of the plane:
Pressure blow open that tail hatch, deformed some panels and shell fragments are all over the place.
Wow! That´s an verry impressive picture! And it´s what i see in WT when I hit a Spitfires tail wiith 20 to 50 20mm rounds 80 out of 100 times…
But if i get hit with a 0.01 second burst of 12.7mm I loose my tail 4 out of 10 times and both of my wings in the other 5 out of 10 times.
You showed a picture of a 1 of 1000 planes… This guy was lucky as hell! Thats why they pointed it out. The story behind this picture is how lucky he is, not how week the 20mm are, coz they werent.
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But tbh, it doesn´t look like 20mm entrance holes at all. I would say, the frist picture shows the exit holes of tumbling rounds. But they also could be entering holes of tumbling rounds that went through a Bomber, the Spit tried to protect and than the Spit got hit by these rounds.
On the other side, you can see exiting holes of some sort of shrapnels. This could be shrapnels of the spitfires frame itselfe.
The blown open hatch and the panel is because of the energy tranfer from the bullet itselfe to the plane.
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It’s simply how weak 20mm was in real life compared to ingame. The difference between 20mm HE and 30mm HE is massive.
Also no, that image wasn’t how “this guy was lucky as hell”, it was testing done by the British to determine the effectiveness of 30mm mineshells.
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I literally only have a single tank unlocked past reserve tier for the US TT.
Now can we please stop derailing the thread?
It makes perfect sense. There’s this document from British trials testing explosive and explosive-incendiary charges inside a Spitfires wing to determine the blast effectivness of incendiary filler.
Reducing the amount of filler by 1/5 already decreased the damage potential by twice as much.
So the blast damage increases exponentially with the amount of filler.
A 20mm can’t “overpressure” the tail section of a Spitfire so it only deals low structural damage and fragmentation, while the 30mm contains enough explosive to blow the tail appart.
The larger the aircraft, the more explosive is needed to cause fatal damage.
From the same logic: If a plane increases in size by 1/5 it will also receive 2/5 less damage.
So from a structural point, 20mm are nothing but angry bee’s against a four-engined bomber.
Germany didn’t develop 20mm or 30mm Incendiary rounds in late 1942 to mid 1943 for fun, just so that War Thunder can put them in the default belt and make them deal laughable damage against any target.
AP, API and HE rounds are functionally the only working rounds in the game.
And with working I mean they are so effective that taking other rounds makes no sense.
HE > API > AP
HE, regardless of caliber can blow planes appart
API can set planes on fire, from any angle or range
While pilots can get survive multiple .50cal hits through armor plates or explosive shells near them.
Ok… And now show us, where the .50 can rip off tails and wings in a short single burst…
I couldn´t find a single document where the .50 is that much op like it is in WT…
EDIT:
The pictures you showed were stationary tests on the grond with zero structural load on the plane.
I saw videos where a FW 190 killed 5 or 6 bombers in a row. all of them with a short burst of 20mm…
I never saw that with .50´s…
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So it looks like, u try to get easy kills. You don´t like to do much for it but point ur nose on a target for less than a second and switch to the next target to do the same. You should try to position yourselfe better to get a better shot on the target.
I can show u, if u want, just PN me.