4th gens and Fox-3s

[-Bundeswehr-]

The advantage is IRIS-T (60G). The problem will be if the F4F ICE based on a 2-3 generation aircraft will play against the 4th generation with an old cockpit (ILS), without OLS, without NSC, only 4 Aim-120 + 4 melee missiles. This is not 6 p77 at 27cm + 4 r73. F4F ICE will be worse than the Su-27 with R27ER + 73.

[Ralin]

@TyTheGuy27 Best USSR choice. add this

Su-27UBM2: Steppe Rider

poll Su-27UBM2 [image] A spear rider, a steppe horseman, a hunter - all this is the Su-27UBM2. Beautiful, statuesque, proud, perfect (well, almost).

Brief historical background

Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO (defense alliance) and cooperates closely with Russia and Belarus in the field of armaments. This airplane is 99% Russian and Belarusian parts. The Su-27UBM2 is a Kazakh Air Force aircraft that has undergone a number of modernizations. Originally delivered in the 1990s and the early 2…

[Eila_Deker]

just so you know the 4F ICE did use IRIS-T and even the Meteor before the Eurofighter got it as it the Meteor was made for it to replace the ageing 120B also HMD was later added to it but i fully understand it will fight certain jets so lets give it at least 1 better missile to give it a trade off

[Mytho-GR1]

@Eila_Deker

Meteor was made for it to replace the ageing 120B also HMD was later added to it but i fully understand it will fight certain jets so lets give it at least 1 better missile to give it a trade off

Meteor is a different kind of beast might be too much

[VikernesVarg]

Ive discussed the potential balancing of the F-4 ICE in my suggestion post for it (which has been passed on to the devs). Note that this was made two updates before the Su-27 and F-15 were introduced in game, at the time the F-16C and MiG-29SMT were the newest jets

Continuing the discussion from F-4 Phantom ICE: Improved Combat Efficiency:

@VikernesVarg

The F-4 ICE will most likely fit in Rank VIII, after the standard F-4F, at BR of 12.0-12.3. The F-4 ICE’s flight performance will undoubtably be supbar compared to the 4th generation competition such as the F-16 and MiG-29. Therefore, the F-4 ICE’s primary advantages against its opponents will be its powerful APG-65 radar and ARH AIM-120 missiles. While the AIM-120 is not yet in game, it is assumed that lesser aircraft (in terms of performance) will be used to “ease” the missile into the game, and for this role, the F-4 ICE fits perfectly. In terms of IR missiles, standard AIM-9L’s are already quite prolific, and the AIM-9L(I)-1, Germany’s unique upgrade of the AIM-9L, will most likely fit the F-4 ICE well, especially with the introduction of the AIM-9M. The IRIS-T is also a possibility, although the missile itself remains extremely powerful and 15 to 20 years still more modern than War Thunder’s current top IR missiles, thus should be avoided unless the F-4 ICE performs extremely poorly in game.

[Ralin]

no, dude, maybe better:

Su-27UBM2: Steppe Rider

poll Su-27UBM2 [image] A spear rider, a steppe horseman, a hunter - all this is the Su-27UBM2. Beautiful, statuesque, proud, perfect (well, almost).

Brief historical background

Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO (defense alliance) and cooperates closely with Russia and Belarus in the field of armaments. This airplane is 99% Russian and Belarusian parts. The Su-27UBM2 is a Kazakh Air Force aircraft that has undergone a number of modernizations. Originally delivered in the 1990s and the early 2…

[galaxygms]

@Faster_Boiiiii

do you have a source for the specific asraam firing?
all i could find myself was also “captive flight trials”…
hell, the rafmuseum only lists “Conducted captive flight trials with MBDA ASRAAM air - air missile” and nothing about radars…

@lxtav

While I don’t have a link I had asked some staff at the RAF Museum at Hendon last year and they said that the DA.2 had conducted ASRAAM firing trials, and they listed their Records as source, i just didnt have time to dig through them all to find it.

BAE Systems & Eurofighter Typhoon: a compilation of weapon releases and firings

At 1:32, DA.2 firing a missile, don’t know if it’s a Sidewinder or an ASRAAM.

[Eila_Deker]

i know that it would be too much just wanted to say it can use them the 120B would be enough @DETROIT HOOD LEGEND yes i saw and i m very happy to see it being accepted its a Ledgendary Plane for us with some good camos to make money with

[Eila_Deker]

also guys Germany did test the F-15B once but i m not sure what Missiles got tested on it

[lxtav]

Judging by the look of the rear fins its a sidewinder but too low quality to be sure

[Mytho-GR1]

i don’t think it was a sidewinder

[Ralin]

@ЧВК_Вагнер

ветке исследования

Ok, premium or squad vehicle)

[TyTheGuy27]

Agreed, ICE and Tornadoes with AMRAAMs and 9M/L(I)s would be like 12.7

[Eila_Deker]

the ICE could be 12.3 because of the Platform its on same for Tornado ofcourse that needs to be tested

[Fireraid233]

Wonder if they will add LAU-128 pylons as an option for the F-15s to carry wing AIM-120s

[-Bundeswehr-]

12.3 (IRIS-T + Aim-120B)

[-Bundeswehr-]

Ты ещё долго не увидишь 13.0-13.3 премиумного или полкового самолёта.

[Kingtiez]

It will definitely be a premium or event but that’s ways off

[Kingtiez]

@ЧВК_Вагнер

И зачем ты мне отвечаешь не на русском?

English forum.

[Faster_Boiiiii]

yeah looks more like a sidewinder to me too. asraam’s rear fins are way smaller

ASRAAM is smokeless. This has thick smoke - like a sidewinder…