3 cm Flak 103/38 auf Steyr 2000a

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I would like to suggest the Steyr 2000a with the 3 cm Mk 103/38 Flak.

It would play like a mix of the russian GAZ-MM (72-K) and ZiS-12 (94-K) or the japan Type 94, because it is mobile fast and has a fast fireing highpower Autocannon, the beloved 30mm MK 103.

I would love to see it in game, because Germany doesnt have yet a full truck AA (or full truck at all to begin with) that is fast and the Mk 103 can first be found at 6.0 and 6.7 on the Kugelblitz as well as Flakpanzer IV Möbelwagen 3 cm Flakvierling 103/38, which is high and the guns are in an unique turret and Flakvierling 38 mount and not in a stylish Flak 38 common mound.

The Gun will be certainly powerful against air and ground with a wide array of ammo (it could be more than currently in game, read below) of Pzbrsprgr, H-Pzgr. and Minengeschosse.

If modeled correctly in game it will be able to shoot forwards, on the close up pictures are the wood wall to the driver visible with metal pipes to protect the head, going by the height the gun is high enove to shoot forwards over the heads of the driver (and possible 2nd person in the front) unlike the drawings show and the piping isnt made into the models, on the whole picture with the destroyed ones it is gone, but you can go by the last remaining big wooden wall with 2 horizontal boards on it which is as tall as the one to the driver and the pipes go over the wooden wall. Because of the design of the mounting you can see from the center of the round mountings on which height the barrle will be horizontal.

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The mounting is with 2 cm flak allready in game on the Flakpanzer I and Flakpanzer 38, so a crew of 2 (more cant sit at the gun) can be expected, but because the only armor is the gunshield, it can perhaps get a crew of 3 with 2 sitting at the front (driver and person (commander perhaps) next to him).

It is sayed that the 3 cm Flak 103/38 (Its simply a Mk 103 gun mounted in an modified 2cm Flak 38 Mount, beltfed from 50-60 round boxes) was mounted on Sd.Kfz 70 (of which i couldnt find any pic) and on the Steyr 2000A of wich i could find a closeup of the mounted gun and a wide picture of multiple sadly allready burned out trucks.

Its place in game would perhaps be around 2.3 (similar to the ZiS-12 (94-K) and befor the CCKW 353 AA)

The story behind it is pretty unknown, but it is one of those last ditch hopes of the germans in the later stages of the war, were they lost pretty much the whole sky, so they even use the preciouse 3 cm cannons (when no plane was ready anyway) and mount it on a vehicle to protect the following infantry or other vehicles from airattecks.

The Truck is the Steyr 2000A its a more or less normal 4x4 truck


Wheelbase: 3250 mm

Track: 1458 mm at front,

1572 mm at rear

Length x with x height

5080 x 1850 x 2100

Ground clearance: 280 mm

Turning radius: 6,5 m

Max, graient 70% (35°)

Engine: Porsche Type 145 3,5 liter OHV V8 engine

85 HP

90 km/h

Weight: 2,5 ton

The gun is the 30mm Mk 103 450 r/min and 50-60 round boxes, beltfed (perhaps 6 sec reload (Kugelblitz has 13 sec reload stock)) and somehwere of 500-600 rounds reserve. (With the Posibility to increase further with a ammo trailer.)

360° Traverse, -20° to +90° Elevation, will assure, that you will be able to shoot at any target with great accuracy from any position.

3 Main Rounds:

Pzbrsprgr. L'Spur o.Zerl


(that was to replace the Pzsprgr. L’Spur.)
Of 0,455kg 5,2g Pent 800m/s ApI-T (Apcbc round with Incendary and He filler) against Armored ground and airtargets.

M-Geschoss Ausf. C L'Spur m.Zerl


(as found in game) 0,33kg 900m/s 70g HTA 5g Pent against Air and ground targets

And most importantly

H-Pzgr. L`Spur o.Zerl


of 0,356kg 960m/s 16mm 231g Core and 81mm/10m penetration, soley used against Armored targets, where the Pzbrsprgr. L’Spur isnt enove.

For more Info on this gun, other ammo and other guns and ammo make shure to check out my informatic topic about German WW2 Automatic AA guns from 15mm to 50mm.

Source: Steyr 1500A in detail (Red Special Museum Line №9)

Handbuch der Flugzeugbordmunition 1936-1945

Captured Ammunition Bulletin No. 5


I like this because of the gun. +1

+1 would be nice as a rank 3 light tank. It has enough hp/t and good enough pen with hvap (or even ap).

Cleaned up and refreshed this suggestion a bit.

No because pointless addition. Germans have one of the most filled out low AA lines

Thats your opinion, but it certainly isnt pointless. Its a quite powerfull gun.

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Will love to see it specially after the Zerstörer 45 disappointment, at least this will be a good low Tier Spaa good mobility, single gun but with it’s high velocity, high rof and it’s shells variety in my opinion it will be better than both the Wirbelwind and Ostwind I +1.

They could artifitially nerf it, by only giving it the Sprgr. L’Spur instead of M-Geschoß L’Spur.
0,44kg 27g Pent 800m/s. Which was fully replaced by the M-Gesch.
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Ppl going to use it as anti-tank so possibly they will move it to higher Br like 3.7-4.0 or something, and since it can fire both:

M-Gesch. Ausf.C L`Spur. o.Zerl. 0,33kg 900m/s 70g HTA 5g Pent (92,5g)

M-Gesch. Ausf.A o.Zerl.: 0,33kg 900m/s 85g HTA (102g)

Idk which one is the one in game but they will give it the same shells of Kugelblitz and Zerstörer so I don’t think a nerf is needed since it’s always better to have good anti-air shells

In game on ground is the M-Gesch. Ausf. C L’Spur m.Zerl, most noticable cince it has a tracer and a bit less filler because it is a more aerodynamic design.
However sadly the better aerodynamics are not considdered in game for some reason.

Damn we can’t even have the luxury of better aerodynamic and better accuracy TwT, anyway 85g of explosive filler and 920 m/s velocity would do the trick against planes so hope this one will move to consideration as fast as possible i will be waiting for it.

Actually, i think 920m/s is for a 295g Shell. But i was yet unable to find it, perhaps one of the 2 prototype shells, which are buttom fuzes with a super thinn hull and noce, which perhaps are like mini hesh.

Let’s keep it that way then, bc what ever Gaijin uses is working according to them the HE shell with 330g weight have 920 m/s velocity and 84g filler.

It will be nice to have a verity of shells but if this one is working at it’s finest then we might not need the others, but ngl i would love to see the one with 102g of filler but unfortunately it’s without a tracer.

Technically the fillers in game are also wrong, and should be a bit higher, as while the filler is called 2 parts, they only count 1 part. But the Sprgr. L’Spur could actually be also nice, cince its aerodynamically very good with at 2km still 382m/s.