@TPS_Hydra
All after-burning CAS easily exceed 12,000 meters in altitude.
You want to know what the climb rate with Jag is with its bomb load?
85 meters per second.
12km shots are what I do every match I spawn Q-5L/Jag with cause that exceeds all SPAA that can spawn.
I’ve done it out to 16km a few times to verify suspicions with GBUs in general.
GBUs don’t care what airframe they’re dropped from, they all have the same range whether they’re dropped from an F-16C or a Jag.
Tunguska is incapable of fragging these aircraft no matter the skill of the player using it.
ADATS is marginally better due to missile maneuverability, but it also lacks the range and should be 11.0 itself.
Strela is even less capable of fragging these CAS.
I’ve also never brought chaff into ground battles. The only reason I would is if people started spawning Mig-23s and F-4Es, which so far no one has in the matches I noted enemy aircraft.
Oh, and do not make this about anyone here. Not me, not you, not anyone.
That is a trashy thing to do and distracts from the real points in our posts.
I DO NOT ever care what people think of me; all I care about is not being lied about, and people having the best information they can that I’m not personally keeping secret.
The more people that know how to play CAS the more pressure Gaijin has to fix CAS being OP.
ADATS is marginally better due to missile maneuverability, but it also lacks the range and should be 11.0 itself
You’re not taking into account the fact that the ADATS is a anti-everything vehicle having the ability to comfortably engage MBTs like the Leopard 2A6.
I’ve also never brought chaff into ground battles. The only reason I would is if people started spawning Mig-23s and F-4Es, which so far no one has in the matches I noted enemy aircraft
I’ve had many people attempt to intercept me in my Jaguar and the most recent case was a J-8B, my trash ton of chaff allowed me to continuously spam countermeasures until we went into the merge then I eventually cleaned him up.
The more people that know how to play CAS the more pressure Gaijin has to fix CAS being OP
My biggest issue is the KA-50 and it being severely undertiered compared to something like the AH-64A, talk about the thermals or zoom all you want but the Vikhrs is just a simply goated missile within 8km of range which far exceeds the poor Hellfires the AH-64A receives.
Tunguska is incapable of fragging these aircraft no matter the skill of the player using it
Worst case scenario is you finding cover to hide behind and turning your radar off temporarily to make the aircraft become more confident and drop altitude or make a mistake, I’ve found this incredibly helpful and I rarely and I mean RARELY find actual climbers besides top tier players now a days.
GBUs don’t care what airframe they’re dropped from
Speed does matter a lot when dropping LGBs and especially at lower altitudes, try to do CAS with a A-6E and F-16C and tell me they’re a similar experience without lying (brackets impossible challenge).
That simply doesn’t matter however, the Tunguska is far better than anything NATO has at a similar BR for air defence and that’s my main concern. A 1 step BR increase doesn’t do anything necessarily bad to the vehicle as it’s simply a better Roland in all areas (and I quite literally mean ALL).
You mean like BMP-2M at 10.3…
The difference is ADATS has a 10km range missile instead of a 5km range missile, and the missile has a proxy fuse.
That’s really it. ADATS is a larger target as well.
Ka-50 and Apache are not undertiered. Both are 11.3, above the Lynx’s 10.7. Vikhrs are of course are not a great missile, a good missile that’s not part of the 5 greats.
AGM-114 also isn’t part of the 5 greats.
And no, Tunguska is not better than NATO CAS.
Just cause ADATS is over-BR’d doesn’t mean Tunguska is under-BR’d.
That’s like begging for F-14A Iran to be 12.3 cause F-15A is 13.0.
Gepard-style vehicles dont fire at 8000 rpm, nor do they have preset belts as many 30x165mm weapons do… It’s a separate feed system for separate sized cartridges, unlike 3UBR8 which fits within the same feed system as 3UBR6 (in-game) and 3UOF8 (in-game).
It definitely does. Dozens of other calibers have their APDS/APFSDS restricted because of size restrictions. The OTOMATIC couldn’t carry more than a predetermined amount of APFSDS due to it being immensely larger than its common cartridges. The Gepard can’t use a large amount of APDS as it doesn’t fit inside of the 39cm feed tray, as the APDS cartridge itself exceeds 43cm and requires a separate feed system.
The 2K22 doesn’t. It’s perfectly capable of loading a full APDS load, or a mixed load as found on the BMP-2 APDS belt, being 4:1 3UBR8 / 3OUF8.
The GSh-30-2 absolutely can use APDS, with the VPU-17 being stated to be capable of firing 3UBR8 and 3UBR11.
What does the Mi-24P have to do with the Ka-29?
The belt doesn’t need its own feed system, it can be loaded into any standard 30x165mm tray with any other 30x165mm cartridge… Because unlike 35x228 it has lineage of ammunition that is legitimately standardized.
Explain to me then only why APDS belt is allowed in BMP-3/2, BTR-80A, if by your logic it’s not a thing of impossability.
Just like how belt with 3UBR8 needs it’s own belt system… (as 3UBR8 generally had feed issues and required it’s own feed)
Your proof?.
I have the source (in fact several stating same rounds) stating all rounds it can use, doesnt seem to have any mention of 3UBR8 at all.
Think about it.
Normally speaking would be weird how inferior helicopter with GSh-30-2K doesnt get APDS but Ka-29 with 2A42 does.
Edit: oh and btw Gsh-30 uses rounds with electronic capsule, while 2A42/72 use rounds with percussion capsule, basically meaning they wont be able to fire eachother rounds that easily.
GSh-30 uses completely it’s own rounds with electrical capsule while 2A38/2A42/72 use percussion capsule.
Additionally, 3UBR8 had reliability issues of feeding, while on 2A38 it could theoretically go as far as to be damaging to the barrel
Well, for one, it wouldn’t be super useful fighting the full on modern armor around the BR. For seconds, it would probably be bumped up a BR for really no reason.
I understand that the same caliber can’t be fired from different guns…
But a 30x165 cartridge works in all Russian guns designed for 30x165
Dude forgot u can easily destroy anny weapon shot at tunguska with it missles not to mention thatn guided bombs are slow and most time needed to be droped way closer than tunguska max range
Not really, I’ve tested with Mavericks with my friend and he managed to intercept around 30%, and then he decided to pull out the strela which in fact did better lol. I agree though, if it stays at 10.7, the mod missile should be removed or else 11.0 BR at least, maybe after further decompression should be the same as type 81C.
Again, very dumb argument, GSh-30-2K and 2A38/42/72 fire rounds that use completely different capsules, second of all 2A38 doesnt even support the pressure of 3UBR8, patent about increased pressure of APDS rounds of 30MM 2A42/72 doesnt even mention 2A38 for the reason of it not being close to hangle it.
GSh-30 use GSh-30-6 types of 30MM, while 2A38/2A42/2A72 use ground 30MM except 2A38 simply cant handle the pressure.
You can see same example with MP-443, it was designed for higher pressure rounds so it will have problems working with regular rounds, same thing would happen with 2A38 except it would be instant if not fast to happen.
Saw an image of someone firing 7,62x25TT out of 7,62x25Mauser Mauser C96, their barrel blew up.
Compared to other SPAAs of the 10.x bracket… Well its obvious Tunguska is far superior. Thermal viewers, multi SAM launcher, 30mm quad gun. Compare this to Roland Flaraks at 10.3… Indeed its BR is a bit low.
I never had issues killing mavericks in tunguska, they are slow, easy to see not to mention tunguska have good thermls with a good radar and irst on top of that
