Or better yet, the AJAX.
Now there’s another vehicle that would be better than the 2S38 at a similar BR.
And it’s sorely missing. Britain’s top tier is mostly just copy-pasted Challenger 2s right now. They seriously need more IFVs and support vehicles, just like France needs the EBRC JAGUAR for top tier.
I thought the AJAX was a total flop because of the engine noise, what happened?
I mean - there’s almost 250 of them. (Different variants).
There have been delays but there are multiple perfectly fine models.
Maybe I’m thinking of a few years ago when it was in R&D in 2021. I remember reading that the test drivers and crews had their ears ring for hours after leaving the vehicle from the engine sound.
I think this was the specific article I read.
I think that’s for the “new” AJAX. But there’s plenty of “old” AJAX-es which were renamed from the Scout SV.
Your stats of a vehicle are not going to change drasticly after a few hundred games anyway.
I was talking about the new ones.
Yeah - those aren’t doing so hot.
But what matters is that there are AJAX-es to be added to War Thunder.
Yeah
You know that it even makes his point stronger?
It is much easier to maintain a good K/D with smaller number of battles thus if You have a vechicle with larger number of battles and better K/D it means that such a vechicle is ‘better’.
At the same time, smaller number of battles means not spaded vehicle games have greater influence over KD than the games where the vehicle is spaded, which can hinder overall performance.
If the number of games was less than 100 battles, I would agree.
To get most of the necessary modifications on the BMP-2, it would require around 46,700 RP, which if you get around 2000 RP every match (basically completely stock), it would take you 23.35 battles to get those necessary modifications to perform almost up to par to if it were spaded. Even at 100 battles, or slightly more, those 23 games where you underperform because of it not being a spaded vehicle is a somewhat significant portion of those 100 battles.
But I do agree that once it’s at somewhere around 200 or so battles, the time you spent spading it out, and the subsequent KD that resulted from it, becomes relatively insignificant, like in this person’s case.
Never. That thing needs to go to 11.0 imho.
Nice defense of the 2S38.
However, it’s no where near as good as HSTVL so it should always be 1.0 BR below it.
And Strf 9040C is as good as 2S38 against tanks missing their 200mm turret rings.
Edit: Me when I remember VCC-80/60 exists and is currently 9.0 instead of 9.3/9.7.
HSTVL is 2x faster to 50KPH.
18.6% more top speed.
22% more pen.
2S38 has 82.16% of the pen of HSTVL.
84.34% of the top speed.
Some examples of light tanks with similar or more similarities than those two:
AMX-13-90:
7.7, 61kph top speed, 18.6hp/t, non-stabilized, 320mm penning HEATFS round. Reloads fastest among these.
Ru-251:
7.3, 80kph top speed, 25.9hp/t, non-stab, 320mm penning HEATFS round.
C13 T90:
7.0, 70kph top speed, 25.2hp/t, non-stabilized, 250mm penning HEATFS round.
T92:
7.0, 57kph top speed, 20.12hp/t, non-stab, 254mm penning HEATFS round.
leKPz M41:
6.7, 72kph top speed, 21.64hp/t, non-stab, 254mm penning HEATFS round.
Pbv 501:
6.7, 65kph top speed, 25.07hp/t, non-stab, 300mm penning HEATFS round.
Type 62:
6.7, 60kph top speed, 20.48hp/t, non-stab, 300mm penning HEATFS round.
Type 63:
6.3, 64kph top speed, 21.65hp/t, non-stab, 300mm penning HEATFS round.
Yeah, my belief that HSTVL is 1.0 stronger than 2S38 stands on its own without looking at those light tanks; those light tanks however make my belief stronger.
And AMX-13-90 is a good light tank at 7.7, not over-BR’d.
Definitely getting the Ru 251 for my 7.7 German lineup next sale.
You are comparing unstabilized vehicles with 0 armor or survivability. To the 2S38.
The HSTV-L is not particularly impressive, and the 2S38 can be much deadlier in the right hands. I have seen entire teams held off by one braincell owning player who owns said vehicle.
You replied to the wrong person.
VCC-80/60, Begleit, and Strf 9040C are stabilized, as [uselessly] armored, and as fast as the 2S38.
No where did I ever do what you claimed.
HSTVL is superior to your precious 2S38 by far. Far easier to use than 2S38 too.
As someone who owns all of those vehicles, you are taking the piss. The 9040C is extremely easy to one tap, the armor is meaningless, and even autocannons will easily kill it.
The unmanned turret makes the 2S38 infinitely more survivable than any of those IFVs. The Strf9040C is also very slow, comparatively. The test drive 2S38 moves better than my spaded 9040c, while also having a far superior gun, better optics, better thermals, IRST tracking, and better proxy fuze.
