2S38 to 11.0

Right I’m not gonna provide a take on whether the 2S38 should or should not go up. I’m gonna critique your conduct on the forum.

You keep feeling the need to pull stats out of your ass against everyone who disagrees. You’re disingenuous, and keep insulting people, even Necro, who was literally trying to understand what makes you think the 2S38 shouldn’t go up. The man is trying to understand your argument, and is trying to see it. Insulting the guy is literally doing the precise opposite of “convincing” him to agree or come and see your point of view.

This is partly why anyone who is convinced the 2S38 should go up just does not change their mind. Because you’ve used the whole works of insulting and derogatory language:

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/2s38-to-11-0/72568/1158

That’s all within the last 2 days.
Before you go cry bias, no, I am not justifying other people’s comments in this thread.
However, if you expect to convince other forum users to your point of view(s), insulting people left right and centre is not the way to go about it.

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BMP-2 is in a whole different environment to the Puma

Proceeds to defend the 2S38 and claim it’s anywhere close to as good as HSTVL despite being as good as Strf 9040C currently, and objectively has 50mm more pen than Strf 9040C.

Yep.

I give you how much you deserve according to your own conduct.

And it’s a lower BR, and he called it better.
So, I think it’s safe to assume that he’s meant to have done better in it?

The environment is different - but the BMP-2 is certainly not unable to deal with things in its environment.

PUMAs are very easy to kill (in MBTs at least), have slightly better penetration than the Bradley (with the same firerate), a turretless crew and being slightly more survivable… at the cost of any ATGMs.
At its current state, I don’t see why it shouldn’t go down to 9.7.

I don’t think the 50mm of extra pen really do much.

I would sure take those spall liners, the far more survivable platform, the extra gun depression and the higher ROF, though… On the 9040. Hell - I’ve actually started grinding Sweden (no premium vehicles, just tech tree) just because of the Lvkv9040C. And that 2 extra crew with SPAA spawn costs.

And it’s been pretty easy so far.
Shame about the unstabilized T-54 at 8.0, when it should be 7.7, though.
And it’s a shame that the Centurion Mk.3 is 7.7 when it should be 7.3. (For both SWE and GB).

The Strv 105 also seems like it’s gonna suck. The rest all seem great, though. I gave up on the Russian tree even with the T-55AM-1 to speed up the progression, but Sweden’s a lot more palatable.

This is a joke right. This thing is a total menace where it is right now, better anti-tank vehicle than air however.

It’s definitely not as much of a menace than when it was at 7.3.

It starts to kick in hard when you get to rank VI, like, it take quite a while to research things if you not purely grinding. I’m currently working on the LVKV 9040 C rn I think, can’t remember though.

Absolutely. This is coming from a Strv 103 player, and I have no side armor. But it’s still got APDS worth a buck or two.

How come

Meant absolutely*. Not, Absolutely not.

The Falcon is extremely strong.
I’m 25k RP away from it right now, and I can’t wait.
I’ve got a GB main friend that I play with and he always rips in it and talks about how good it is.

It’s got an incredible belt and the stabilizer - it’s great in the test drive, that’s for sure.

I see.
I hear people saying that less side armour and more light tanks of the BRs near ~8.7 means that increasing the BR of the Falcon would not hurt it at all, but actually the introduction of more fully-stabilized tanks does.

It gets better with its APDS belt.

Probably will, it’s still built on a fast chassis. If you even whiff a shot and have no team backup (Which is 94% of the time) your screwed.

Even with the SAP - it’s got enough explosive and the game’s damage models are so finnicky that you can sometimes just overpressure/ignore armor regardless.

If you shoot the roof of a T-72 - you’ll probably kill it. Even though it has no right to penetrate.

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The engine is relatively underpowered, but yeah I agree with what you mean.

Idk, the optics/cupola are an easy pen spot on the T-72/90 and 64/80, usually my go-to spot with auto-cannon fire.

Imagine them adding the Schimtar. It’s on the same chassis, with a fox turret, I think…