Only thing HSTV-L do better than 2S38 far as i can see
the fact that it has an extremely low profile and, in practice, is able to bounce shells frontally, together with having -17 degrees of depression, is a very good advantage too
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Ok, I can see how you’d think that but let me make my case.
Here’s my stats in the VCC-80/60, an Italian light tank with 60mm autoloading cannon. It has both APFSDS and HE-VT, allowing to engage both ground and air targets. It is particularly useful against helicopters.
Ground K/D = 106/91 = 1.16
Both K/D = (106+39)/91 = 1.59
Without factoring in air kills I’d have a respectable 1.16 K/D, not bad but not outstanding either. However, this way of measuring doesn’t do the vehicle justice, as leaving out one of the key advantages (occasional AA duty) makes it seem much worse than it really is. Factor in the air kills and the K/D rises to 1.59, a very respectable number. For context, many clans have a 1.5 K/D requirement.
And here is the breakdown for the OF-40
Ground K/D = 336/150 = 2.24
Both K/D = (336+7)/150 = 2.28
I prefer MBT playstyle, so I do much better in the OF-40. Still, let us compare the K/Ds, with and without air kills.
VCC K/D (ground only) as percentage of OF K/D = 1.16/2.24 = 0.517 = ~52%
VCC K/D (both) as percentage of OF K/D = 1.59/2.28 = 0.697 = ~70%
Without including air kills you’d think VCC only performed “half as good” as OF-40, whereas by including air kills for both, it rises to 70%, which is nearly “three quarters as good”.
If the team is being harassed by helicopters slinging ATGMs, the VCC-80/60 can deal with them. If the team is being bombed, the VCC-80/60 can fight back. The OF-40 cannot effectively do either, so it would be a huge injustice to VCC not to include air kills as a metric. Like I said, it would appear “half as good”.
And so it is my opinion that the same should apply to other dual purpose vehicles like LAV-AD, Begleitpanzer, 2S38, Strf 9040C, BMP-2M etc.
(Please pardon the belated reply)
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Until turret rings are 200mm thick, Strf 9040C and 2S38 are identical against MBTs due to neither having a round low enough in penetration to change how they deal with MBTs. Both deal with light tanks equally.
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I don’t comprehend how people don’t understand how these features make the HSTV-L unfathomably superior to the 2S38.
having more than -10 degrees of depression its highly underrated, allows you to stay for the most part hidden while keeping an advantage over enemies altough it can be kind of situational nontheless its still a pretty good thing to have
not really, you have a higher chance of penning at any sort of angle with the 2S38.
there is a cut-off point where the angle gets to large for the 9040C to pen but the 2S38 can still pen it for some more degrees. this does A LOT since you almost never hit anything a 90 degree angle.
also, any comment on my mathematical answer to your tests?
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While 9040C and 2S38 can both pen weak points, the difference between the two starts with being able to penetrate the side of MBTs that are slightly angled. Due to the 2S38 higher pen, even slightly angled MBTs can more easily be killed, whereas the 9040C will have trouble penning said angled tank’s sides. 9040C given its lower penetration, is forced to disable and go for weak points. The 2S38 doesn’t have to only weak point snipe as much due to the higher pen and easier time getting through the side of tanks.
The 2S38 can more easily kill MBTs regardless of how they’re angled. It has a more easier time than the 9040C at doing this, it might not be by much but because of the sheer amount of people playing the 2S38 (It is premium, whereas 9040C is TT) more people will run into the 2S38, and the 2S38’s increased penetration allows for an easier time killing tanks regardless of how angled/positioned.
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Those are both pretty mediocre though, and I’ve not heard many good things about the Stormer either.
Until a month or two ago, Starstreaks had been completely unusable for about six months. Like will literally fly straight through the target without registering anything. They improved things, which got the hits registering again if you have a ping below ~100ms, but apparently it’s still bugged for people above that. All of that is ignoring the fact that it doesn’t perform anywhere near as good as the data that Gunjob and co rescued from the British National Archives.
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I have yet to die to a strf 9040 in my type 90 or tkx, but i did get ammo racked by one shell.from the front by a 2s38 and was forced to retreat. I could only see his turret and used my rangefinder like an idiot it was like 800m away so L moment. Eneded up just watching my round due nothing to his turret so i swapped to heat and thought id reload fast enough but he got one lucky shot off and took my breach and ammo. Ngl i jumped when my ammo went off lol.
In what world is a T-90A at a lower br mediocre its probably the best 10.3
The chally 1 are also great since they dont suffer from horrible mobility and still have reliable turret armour with one of the higher pen rounds at its tier
Thr stormer is also extremely good as long as there’s not too many clouds it outperforms the strela arguably
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Because virtually everything about it is terrible.
- Gun depression? Garbage fire
- Turret traverse? El Trasho
- Gun elevation speed? Nope
- Reverse speed? Never heard of it
- Reload rate? Nada
- Survivability? Haha turret go boom
- Acceleration? Snail’s pace
- Armour? Haha weakspot go boom
- Neutral steering? What is neutral steering?
The only two things the T-90A has going for it at 10.7 are it’s 2nd gen thermals and 3BM-60, this T-90S doesn’t even get one of those two and 10.3 still gets up-tiered the majority of cases anyways.
Challenger’s all have poor mobility.
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Not sure what you mean by “yapping”, that’s my first comment here
If it’s absurd to you, it’s because it is.
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uh… Those… Those are uh… Not two…
-6 isn’t all too bad, I wouldn’t call it a “garbage fire”
As for acceleration and armor, that’s also pretty great. The V92S2F puts out quite a bit of horsepower for its size.
Dude legitimately has the nerve to say the T-90 is bad in this game?
Lol. Lmfao.
If only that were the case.
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It’s Necrons dude. It’s ironic that these guys all dismiss people based on KD ratios, when you can dismiss their opinions by glancing at how much time they spend playing Russia.
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-6 gun depression is fine 90% of maps that you play on now have no true hull down.
The turret trav is also perfectly fine if you cant listen for engine sounds and be pre aiming its your fault.
Elevation speed barely matters.
Reverse speed is managable as long as you aren’t holding W in full uptiers and getting your gun shot out.
The reload is fine most people dont have aced crew.
Calling the acceleration bad is genuinely baffling to me its incredibly quick.
Survivability is fine as long as you dont show the LFP its fun rushing people down and they panic fire at the 700mm UFP.
The armour is the best at 10.3 you have to be genuinely insane to think otherwise.
And for neutral steering this is a non issue and more of a quality of life thing why include it.
And with your chally1 claims are you genuinely trying to claim that the leopard 1 has bad mobility you have to be baiting
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Yeah. It’s peak irony.
Yes, and the consensus is the 2S38 is superior to 10.0.
Hence the discussion to put it above at 11.0.
Most of those arguing “but T90A, but easy kill”, have proven they already have a high enough skill that moving it up in BRs wouldn’t affect their gaming experience. The difference would come from 2S38s no longer being put at 9.0 top tier and roflstomping those line-ups in that area.