its already a better SPAA than anti tank. It has shit mobility and the APFSDS sucks. Pair that with spall liners and it will be horrible anti tank IFV
Poor mobility sounds like the 9040C’s and the Bradley lol
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I do not recognise the authority of your list as my list is the one true list.
You can appeal this decision by messaging me directly but you will be rejected
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i swear, when it came out it had better acceleration, but now it never reaches anywhere near its top speed, thus it struggles to get into flanking positions before MBT’s that all have better acc, thus reaching higher speeds
Literally the bradley and 9040C experience slower than all mbts it meets reminds me of playing the strv 105 a centurion at 9.3 and still outspeeding a merk lol.
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It’s why I say 2S38 to 10.3, since it’s so similar to Strf 9040C outside its pen being better.
2S38 is the same speed as 9040C by the by…
@MuricaxSuffers
2S38 wouldn’t have a higher KDR from Cavenub or myself it it was tech tree.
Its KDR would be identical, and thus nothing would change.
@SemiPartician @Miraz05 @Dinfire
HSTVL is the fastest tech tree vehicle, smaller, better gun laying, better optics [zoom], and better round.
No, 2S38 being barely better than Strf 9040C doesn’t make it nor Strf 9040C as good as HSTVL.
2S38 and Strf 9040C are not and have never been top-BR performers. Only HSTVL is for the points provided prior.
@SlowHandClap
2S25M is superior to 2S38 by far.
2S38 is barely under-BR’d being the Soviet Strf 9040C.
@GNDM_Panzer It’s sad to see posts of R propaganda that 2S38 is anywhere close as good as HSTVL when it obviously isn’t. Strf 9040C, Begleit, and 2S38 all share the “same” speed, all significantly slower than HSTVL.
2S38 is a production vehicle BTW, no rules violated in its addition.
I like that NATO has more Yak-141s than Soviets in WT. Nothing hypocritical about that.
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@Firestarter
Yak-141 follows Gaijin’s addition rules to the letter. People need to stop digging for stuff that isn’t there.
Edit: This post upset Russians… sorry.
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The cv90120T isnt a protype tho? It just has no one purchasing it. Now the ghost id agree with but the T has had several modifications bringing it up throughout its life. The only thing isnt missing in game is the 2007 modifications and its auto deploy smoke when a laser signal is detected. The 120 was completed irl and given upgrades irl to keep it modernized. They even made the mkIV model which isnt in game so i doesn’t belong on that list just saying. If we go by gaijin adding stuff so that it can play in warthunder then i must be missing something. (Regardless its off topic so just message my dms)
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Yeah, list is old and needs updated based on new knowledge I learned over the last year.
Ill agree that it is a prototype but by the lists logic it just doesnt fit that criteria of having additions given to it for it to be added to warthunder. Now if we wanna take about things gaijin nerfed or refuses to add then we can mention that its the 1998 prototype which is missing its automatic smoke and the list goes on. Again its off topic so i recommend you go over your list if you plan on bringing it out to prove a point but i think the better explanation for these vwhicles is to add a vehicle that fills a gap in the tt whether that be a lack of tanks or a lack of certain functions such as spaa or light tanks ect. The biggest gripe i have with gaijin logic of these vehicles is that they often refuse actuacl documents that would benefit these vehicles as some have poor performance or are blatantly wrong. The Zrinyi 1 for italy has the wrong exhaust layout and causes the rockets to loose the 0 degree depression they had. And so fourth again just another off topic thing. We cpuld be here all day talking about the what if vehicles that gaijin has added incorrectly.
My point is more why couldn’t something like the Typhoon Development Aircrafts be added. I don’t have an issue with the Yak-141 (although R-27ER… ehhhhh)
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The HSTV-L is already at 11.3. It carries a total of 26 rounds and post-penetration damage is mild.
The Strv 9040C’s best penning APFSDS round is significantly less on penetration compared to the 2S38’s APFSDS.
Furthermore, you have to grind to get it.
Unlike the 2S38, which can be bought straight off the rack.
I don’t see Sneed as being impartial, nor his compatriots, when they are distinctly incapable of doing anything but trying to compare apples to oranges and bad faith arguments of skill issue.
Their excuses of “you shouldn’t be doing something like driving out in the open with a Centurion Mark 10” proves that they are not in this in good faith. If map design is the question, then we know that considering the current state of the game, the Russian line-up has been given a plethora of options to deal with the game’s close encounters.
The 2S38 suffering in long range encounters shouldn’t be an excuse to keep it in a lower BR.
It was originally intended to be a SPAA, for God’s sakes. It is only in War Thunder that they have given it the novel innovation of being able to be a recon vehicle (it was never intended to be so), thus granting it the Airstrike capability in addition, and thus allowing players to cheap out and get a SU-25K into the front with a swiftness, which just adds to their lethality.
There’s a reason Russia versus Russia is now becoming more common in top tier, and it is not because they are ‘underpowered’, as you claim.
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Strf 9040C pens all the same weakspots as 2S38’s gun cause MBT weakspots for some reason never go higher than 100mm.
Grind to get doesn’t mean anything other than how many appear in matches.
Strf 9040C is identical in anti-tank capability in every way except for having 24% less pen which would matter if Abrams and Type 90 had 200mm turret rings, but they don’t.
Soviets vs Soviets is common exclusively because of playerbase, nothing to do with how good they are.
Not sure why you hate NATO so much that you’d lie about 2S38’s capability on behalf of the Russian government.
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Penning all the same weakspots at greater distances is not an argument of keeping it at the same BR.
Grind does matter.
Abrams and Type 90 both do not have their appropriate turret rings and we already know that, but until that suggestion is implemented it will have zero effect on the 2S38’s effectiveness.
Soviets vs Soviets is because the playerbase understands that those particular vehicles are designed for these maps and given more leeway. You can play with less thought and still do an effective job. That’s an argument for how good they are.
“Hate NATO so much” is a gaslighting technique, Alvis, as in trying to call out the credibility of the player based on real-life national allegiances. It is not a worthy argument to bring here in this thread, so see it out of the conversation next time.
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Again, I stated multiple times that 2S38 should be 10.3, 0.3 higher than Strf 9040C to acknowledge its superior round.
No, interpretation of your arguments aren’t “gaslighting”. Stop dismissing psychologists with your misuse of their terminology.
I never once said your credibility is tied to your defense of the 2S38, so stop with being wrong.
And I argue it should be 10.7 or 11.0.
Interpreting arguments based on questionable language is your misusing their terminology. You’re none of those things, you’ve never gone to school, so when a boundary is drawn, respect it.
And again, stop being wrong with your interpretations.
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so what happened here
More processing about 2S38 despite other tech trees having powerful autocannon lights for their BRs as well.
well the 2S38 cannon has pretty op at 10.0 mm, 57 mm and access to pretty good APFSDS at very nice rate of fire Together with an HE-VT, its a hell-naw vehicle since it can deal with everything at its battle rating without issues. Honestly, a bit too good; prob. 10.3 should be a bit more fair, or remove HE-VT and make it HE-TF since, in the first place, it isnt even HE-VT
also before anyone asks for sources:
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Granted the HEVT doesn’t make it more powerful than 9.3 since that’s the BR range other HEVT vehicles are at.
Its APFSDS having 50mm more pen than Strf 9040C is why I support 2S38 to 10.3.
I just disagree it going to 10.7 or 11.0 cause its really not that much more powerful against tanks than its compatriots.
it does so because you have a multipurpose vehicle that can both kill airplanes and tanks, which gives it double the chances of getting points and annoying the enemy team, especially with the IRST tracking, i agree that it should be like at 10.3 where its going to stop fighting 9.0 stuff that can get easily brutally molested