The wavelength cannot be picked up by most RWR or all RWR in game, essentially. So it CAN be chaffed, but the pilot won’t know they are locked on like IRT/IRST.
A lot of things are Over BR’d.
- HSTV-L
- T32E1
- OTOMATIC
- Falcon
- Kugelbiltz
- M163
- British ADATS
- Type 87 RCV
- M551
- IS-4M
And a lot of things are under BR’d.
- 2S38
- Pantsir-S1
- Type 81 (C)
- PGZ04A
- ZSU-23-4M4
- BMD-4
- Strf 9040 BILL
- Lvkv 9040C
Not even mentioning the planes.
you forgot the maus and m103 + conquerror
M103, yes, but others;
Nah, those are good where they sit.
Maus is penetrating well and good armoured it tanks even some of the early ATGMs.
Would you prefer to face MAUS while in 76mm Jumbo I don’t think so.
M103 has relatively weak armour compared to surrounding vehicles and quite long reload for a not good pen.
Conqueror on the other hand is, it basically has more armour than T32E1, more Pen, Commander FCS, Same reload, with two plane stabilizers. I don’t think it should go down in BR and has over 500mm of pen. Yea I know APDS acts like stupid sometimes but 80% of the time, it one shots (Except T54s, it non-pens the turret somehow).
sorry but im more scared to meet a is4m in my tiger 2 then meeting a maus in a T34 or even is3
maus armor isn’t that good if you cant angle
somehow you guys seem to forget it
??? the ap is good no idea why ppl complain so much
wut ?
shoot cupola and kill 3 crew member…
And the apds from it just sucks.
I miss typed this IG, it pens good but not well damage
in CONQUEROR:
I am not talking about weak spots, I am talking about general armour. I tanked like 12 shots in a battle and died to flakpanzer 341 with shot to my commander turret. I know this fact.
But in T32E1, I mostly die to 3rd shot frontally. it cannot hold even the MAUS’s bullet, while Conqueror can bounce or deflects the rounds from even the T55 APDSs.
it can be picked just not identified, that’s it
Over BRd as a SPAA, but as a tank destroyer… ehhhh
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The 2S38 can perform just as effectively at 11.0 as it can at 10.0, it just won’t be able to curb stomp early cold war MBTs which weren’t developed when composite armor was a thing.
Gaijin will never raise the 2S38’s BR as it would discourage sales.
The Maus, Conqueror and M103 can perform decently well enough at 7.7.
Perhaps a reload buff to the Conqueror and M103 would be in order, though.
And the Maus has had its internal armor severely nerfed - making it unrealistically susceptible to overpressure (it is easier to kill a Maus with overpressure than it is to kill a Tiger 2 H right now.), so that should obviously be reverted.
Something like an IS-4M has far worse gun handling and a far worse cannon (and far worse survivability compared to an un-nerfed Maus) so it is obviously quite overtiered as it’s the same BR.
How come?
BILL yeah maybe because of the missiles but at the same time that thing will die to MGs and the launcher is rather easy to destroy because of it’s size
Lvkv9040C not so much, it’s kinda meh as an SPAA with it’s limited range and the HE-VT kinda gets pricey if you just go full auto with it, it’s better as a Strf9040C back-up without the good shell
HSTVL, T32E1, M163, Kugelblitz, ADATS, IS-4M, and M551 are not over-BR’d.
I use all but the ADATS and the Kugelblitz.
Pantsir, BMD-4, Lvkv 9040C, Strf 9040 BILL, especially ZSU-23-4M4, and Type 81 are not under-BR’d. Gepard 1A2 is 9.7 with a superior search radar and superior IR missiles.
Out of that entire list only 2S38 and PGZ04A are under-BR’d, and both by 0.3.
And only the OTOMATIC is guaranteed over-BR’d.
Cannot comment on RCV and Falcon.
@MuricaxSuffers
Conq is legit the best 7.7 heavy tank in the game.
M103 is also an extremely great 7.7 tank.
IS-4 I just kill with APCR if I’m in a 6.7.
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understandable given how ugly it looks and how ratty (i presume) it plays
and still killing a maus with apcr is way easier then is4m :)
Even chieftain struggles to ufp it ( last time i tried it)
usual bullshit
it got the worst apds in the game dmg wise
yes it got a lot of pen but that means shit
- the tumor you can abuse to send the crew to the hangar using aphe.
because of ap and cheat-fs
Also ap actual deals some dmg compared to the needle the conq is firing.
The reason I say all of those are
over-BR’d is comparing them to the surrounding vehicles. For instance:
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The BMD-4 is essentially a BMP-3 with an IRST on it, making it easier to kill aerial targets. The issue here is that these shouldn’t have the same BR. One is over-BR’d, or the other is under-BR’d. Imagine if the Begleitpanzer had an IRST; would it still be at the same BR?
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Similar concerns apply to the Pantsir. I’m comparing it with the closest vehicle possible, in this case, the FlaRakRad. The Pantsir has overall more range, far less visible missile trails, a higher maximum velocity of missiles, high fire-rate twin autocannons which penetrate quite effectively with an AP belt, and an undetectable Radar Band for aircraft. It is far superior to the FlaRakRad.
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Regarding the M163, I compared it with the ZSU-37-2. By doing so, one can decide whether to lower the M163 or raise the ZSU-37-2. The M163 has a much weaker radar and shorter range. It is basically useless against helicopters hovering about 3-3.5km away.
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As for the others, they’re not much of an issue in terms of where they sit, although slight changes could be made.
In regard to:
- The HSTV-L currently lacks enough penetration or has an HE-VT* issue to be at that BR.(Documentation for the penetration and the HE-VT* is discussed in a separate article, yet Gaijin didn’t take it into consideration.)
- The T32E1 has a really low fire rate for shells with relatively low penetration. APCR does little and mostly shatters on heavy targets. The APHE shells can’t even penetrate the frontal hulls of T44s and IS-2s, which are 1.0 BR lower. Not to mention T54s.
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Pantsir has 50m/s faster missiles, you don’t even recocnise that in game.
More range doesn’t matter as you wont hit anything fast and manoeuvrable beyond 12km anyway.
The gun against tanks is not that usable due 0 gun depression and huge recoil which nearly flips the truck over.
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Same thing applies for FlaRakRad, but it is limited to 6km, beyond that range, the missile is losing manoeuvrability. 12Km is a excellent range to have with in combat range.
12km with flakrad ? sure if the target does not move and stands still…
Trades good armour (IFV wise, BMP-3 can stand some SPAA’s autocannon), for speed and IRST.
What would even them out is them making ATGM reload autoloader’s duty, as RN it’s not (if I remember the only excuse is this modernised BMP-3 being an early model).
Both radar and range on it are too bad to be anywhere effective at that, if thats even possible.
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SPAA with BMD-4’s capabilities are 8.3. BMD-4 is 9.0 thus its BR is already over that of its SPAA capability.
Begleit would be 9.3/9.7 with IRT as it has a proximity round.
Pantsir has a 12km range against fixed wing aircraft. It has an 18km range against drones and helicopters.
ITO-90M and TOR-M1 are the same against fixed wing.
Drones and helicopters have a maximum range of 10km so neither are out-ranging TOR-M1 and ITO-90M.
HSTVL’s penetration is the best among auto-lights and experienced no issue with it. HE-VT wouldn’t impact its BR, and people that brought HE-VT would be ruining their experience by bringing less ammo.
You haven’t used it in half a year then.