Ammo selection inferior to its APFSDS wouldn’t impact BR.
IRT is a thing for <10BR vehicles without search radars. Lvkv 9040 has a search radar.
And fire rate, as much as people complain, first shot of HSTVL either blows up the tank or takes out the gun anyway, just does it better since it pens more.
And no, they’re not close in capability.
You know what’s close in capability? Strf 9040C and 2S38. Give Begleit APFSDS and it’s literally 2S38 in everything but without IRT and with TOW missiles.
Oh, and if LWS mattered Italy’s Leo 1A5 wouldn’t be 9.3.
I would appreciate it if you could expand on this for me. I’m curious as to what makes you say that, because although I don’t agree, seeing some reasoning could get me to change my mind or at the very least understand where you are coming from
The reason I call HSTVL superior requires the preface and the main.
Preface: There are proximity-round anti-air systems at 9.0 and 8.7 using BOFORS. With 57mm proxy being superior [which may not actually be proxy] that IMO makes 2S38 9.3 if it lacks APFSDS.
2S38 is its BR [and should be 10.3 IMO] because of its APFSDS.
The analogues: Begleit, Strf 9040C, 2S38, and HSTVL.
HSTVL is unique in its lower ammo capacity due to bigger gun. Technically OTOMATIC is an analogue as long as it has its DM23 equivalent APFSDS but that’s depressing.
2S38: Thermal generation.
HSTVL: Smaller size [it’s primarily just shorter], superior optics [zoom], fastest light tank in the game, best ammo of the 4, and best gun handling of the 4. Its armor is also slightly stronger than the rest.
That is why I think HSTVL should remain 1.0 BR higher than 2S38. Note I stated 2S38 should be 10.3 earlier.
I don’t think gen 1 thermals is enough of a negative to impact the obviously superior survivability and effectiveness features of HSTVL.
Oh, and laser warning system clearly doesn’t impact BR due to how many like-vehicles have it at the same BR as each other.
sorry what ? bagel is 9.3 with proxy with no irst and no 3 gen thermals
Also has a real HE-VT unlike the 2s38 that has a radio fused round (but gaijin and double standards ;) )
So bagel should be then what 8.3 ? 8.0 ?
Except the Otomatic is nearly as big as a house
Alone the breach has nearly the size of the 2s38 turret
worse reload, worse ammo count…
The armor doesn’t really matter its more the angle of the armor that acts for “funny moments”
but in that case 2s38 get’s the fueltank that eats entire rounds + spall so that even’s it out
Meanwhile 2s38 is allowed to point and click on 10.0
If the devs would put the hstvl for a SINGLE week on 10.3
entire forum would run amok because they would pop any tank they face
Meanwhile 2s38 P2P special need nation get’s ignored because of … playing it
Begleit is already 9.3.
Not sure why your post seems to want Begleit at 8.3, 2S38 at 9.3, Strf 9040C at 9.0, etc…
2S38 has armor behind the fuel tank which spalls.
HSTVL, Strf 9040C, Begleit, and 2S38 can only “point and click” weak spots.
2S38 doesn’t get special treatment at all.
You keep defending the 2S38 for no reason. It’s worse than the HSTVL, always will be.
@Ion_Protogen
I fixed the wording.
By saying they want an analogue to reduce or increase in BR, you have to accept that you want to increase/decrease the BR of the rest of the analogues.
2S38 is a 10.3 at 10.0.
It’s an Strf 9040C with more penetration and that’s it.
HSTVL is vastly superior to both Strf 9040C and 2S38, that’s a fact.
And without APFSDS Begleit is literally a 2S38 if it had APCBC and TOW missiles.
Same speed, protection, optics.
The only negative is thermal generation, but as seen with M1A2, that doesn’t impact BR even if people think it should.
My point is it’s not Germany exclusive, and that other nations, in particular, Russia, benefit more from this. Although Germany certainly benefits, its only fair to say that if you apply the standard across every TT.
Maus e-100 panther 2 ostwind 2 zerstörer45) kugel bagel ?
Did i miss something ?
ah yes just like the 2s38 that russia is acting like its somekind of wunderwaffe or the yak 141 xD
just like russia with all its objects hmmm
So your point is ?
everyone knows that all leopards 2a4+ onwards are fantasy/what if tanks
Easy to spot on the new created floating device to allow leopard turrets to fly over ridges to take the shot before returning to the hull lol
Why are you defending blatant fabrication. Why can Gaijin just decide to make something a light tank to give it darts and capped rounds while maintaining its ability to be a better AA than the OTOMATIC?
It’s not a top 5 10.0 light tanks cause it lacks a major anti-tank gun, but it’s equivalent to Strf 9040C with a bit more pen.
It’s not the best 10.0 gun AA.
Proxy SPAA better than it either in BR and/or general capability:
M247: 9.0.
LVKV 9040C [search radar]: 10.0.
If OTOMATIC didn’t have APFSDS it’d be there as well.