The M247 and VEAK are not better AA than the 2S38.
You say the 2S38 lacks “Major Anti-Tank Firepower”, yet its dart has 225mm of pen and fires every half a second. On top of that, if you’re not front on, the capped round will delete any MBT instantly. This wouldn’t be an issue if the vehicle couldn’t double as a more reliable gun AA than most top tier Anti Air systems. Sure, it doesn’t have a search radar, but it does have thermals and a tracking radar which can do the same thing actively.
The problem isn’t these individual components. It’s the problem of when you combine them onto one chassis that has everything.
It’s Amphibious.
It’s Durable.
It has low spalling upon being hit
It can’t be killed reliably with a 50 cal
It has a Dozer
It has APCBC
It has APFSDS
It has HE-VT
It has HE
It has Artillery
It has Scouting
It has a Tracking Radar
It has extremely good Thermals for both the Gunner and Commander.
It has a Scout UAV
It has Smoke.
It has ESS
It has Laser Warning
And it’s a Premium
A 10.0 Tank should NOT be this flexible. Especially not when it outperforms the OTOMATIC as an AA while being just as strong as the BMP-2M, which we all know is insane compared to the Bradley and Puma.
None of the things you mentioned impact its BR above 10.3 at most. And all of the BR impacting ones are on Strf 9040C as well.
It doesn’t out-perform OTOMATIC in anti-air. OTOMATIC fires a 76mm proxy round with a search radar.
BMP-2M is not strong at all. And no shit M3A3 Bradley, PUMA, and BMP-2M are superior to the 3.3 Puma and 8.3 Bradley.
IFVs aren’t strong. Otherwise their KDRs would be on average higher than that of MBTs… which they’re not.
IFVs are fun, they are neat. Strong they are not.
Otherwise all of them would be a higher BR than they are.
Light tanks are strong though.
But yeah, 2S38 is a 10.3 auto-gun tank at 10.0. It’s a Strf 9040C with a bit more pen.
It’s not new, Sweden had it first.
And its 9.3 SPAA capabilities are lower than its current BR.
I’m not?
I have done nothing but show proof of information disputed in this thread. I have stated nothing on my stance on the vehicles BR or type.
I think generally they give AA radars. No radar makes it light tank in game, has radar makes it AA I game. (At least at higher BR ranges)
If that is the correct thing to do or not is a diskussion I’m not really that interested in having if I’m honest.
What a sophistry?
If a person is being bullied, shouldnt what you want to do is stop it? rather than “If you want to prevent someone from being bullied, you have to accept someone else being bullied.”
might not a very good metaphor, but what Im trying to say is that this set of logic they just simply doesnt hold up
as you said, the BR of a vehicle is determined by many factors, rather than “because others do it, so you do it too”
Its not a good idea to go off topic when discussing whether the 2S38 is op or not, but I cant hold any longer
Top BR is not at all realistic…
i personally after looking over all the stats might agree to the sentiment of increasing it to 10.3.
Comparing to strf 9040C:
APFSDS: 30% better pen.
AA: IR tracking and the round has 50% better trigger radius and about 65% better pen on fragments.
Armor: worse, 9040C can survive almost all autocannons below 35mm. (2S38 below 25mm). both get yeeted by MBT canons.
Speed: the same forward, 2S38 half the speed backwards.
rotation: about 80% faster deg/sec.
so yeah, i can see the 2S38 at 10.3, perhaps even 10.7 but i’m unsure.
thats not really true though.
the 2S38 proxy has 50% larger trigger radius than all three of those and about 50% better fragmentpenetration. add to that the WAY better pen APFSDS.
that’s not really true either:
it is in fact closer to the HSTV-L than the Strv 9040C in terms of general type, performance and capabilities.
try comparing the stats between the three at aced crew.
'kay. The discussion was about “prototypes with weaponary that the ‘designers’ fantasized about”, with you saying how this extends to “half of the German TT”.
Neither did you provide enough examples to account for “half” of the TT (which would still be dozens of vehicles, maybe even over a hundred), or why their loadouts/weaponary is ‘fantasy’.
All you did was throw up words, and never backed them up with anything.
You think i load up the game and check every single plane and tank and list them here for you ? Do it yourself man, i got better things to do.
And the the fantasy weapon was a response to the “begleit uses a real VT”.
I also can draw something, build it out of wood and say it will carry a laser cannon in battle.
