You’re using Thunderskill KD/Win ratios to determine whether vehicles of different classes are OP?
Just when I thought the thread wouldn’t get any stupider.
I know thunderskill is only viable when it fits your narrative.
if it was so broken you guys make it up to be, there would clearly be an anomaly, but there isn’t.
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You can use whatever statistics source you like - comparing the win rates and kill/death ratio of MBTs and a light tank/spaa at the same BR is pretty silly.
Why ? People in here are claiming 2S38 is clapping every tank, including MBT’s, left and right.
Which according to the stats clearly is not true.
I would have included more light premium vehicles, but there are none or at least no stats available. But even compared to the wolfpack you see a trend.
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comparing a light tank with an MBT is not fair; as plain and simple as that, The 2S38 has a cannon most similar to that of the HSTVL, with more capacities but less pen. Still, it has been noticeable that the penetration hasnt really affected killing anything at its br bracket or above due to it being capable of penetrating MBT’s breaches with no issues, as well as having pretty good survivability for a light tank, especially in the Russian tech tree. The vehicle has an incredibly good mix of traits that make it too overpowered for a lot of stuff at 9.0 to fight it and even stuff at 11.0 have some complications with it, i’d say it should be upgraded to 10.7 but not 11.0 At least it would avoid fighting MBT’s that can be easily killed without effort, such as the Leopard A1A1’s or M60’s
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I can’t compare it to other light premiums, as there are simply no available. Except wolfpack, which the stats are pretty similar to.
I don’t think it has. People who say that most of the time just don’t shoot in in the front, where the crew sits, hence it’s a skill issue.
I can agree with that
10.7 or 10.3.
Claims for it to be 11.00 are just nonsense.
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People don’t uptier the wolfpack like they do with the 2s38. At least I don’t. Whereas the 2s38 is the best light tank Russia gets.
I disagree, 2S25M is better for high tier with it’s new 3BM60. We don’t talk about how it also sits at 10.0 though lol.
You just can’t kill MBT’s fast enough in high tier with 2S38, especially since spall liners.
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Sure, but the 2S38 also doubles up as one of the best gun SPAA in the game with the IRST and HE-VT. I definitely see much more 2S38s than 2S25Ms at 11.7+
Yea you see more because way more people have it probably.
The 2S25 tree was always slept on in my opinion.
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Compared to other light tanks, it does not need to be premium, and premium adds to its advantage too
i have shot it in the front and quite frankly, it has been too many times where i have not killed anyone because the fuel tank eats the shot but well, i dont have visual proof to prove that
yeah 11.0 its a littlebit too excessive since its means of survivability its mainly shells that dont nuke as much as the ones on that br bracket do, as well as tanks being much more armored at that br bracket
Comparing a premium to a premium is only fair, because everybody can buy a premium, even lvl1 players, unlike tech tree vehicles.
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The same exact logic applies to PUMA, a tank that’ll get more assists than kills.
2S38 isn’t 11.0 capable. Not sure why you believe Russia that their vehicle is so powerful when it isn’t.
No one, not even the Russians, think that their equipment is as good as they claim it is, in real life. But WT is a game, so GJN can make everything perform however they like.
And Gaijin chooses realism, just like Eagle Dynamics of DCS.
So 2S38 performs slightly better than Strf 9040C as it should, and far worse than HSTVL as it should.
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i don’t think the gap between the HSTVL and 2S38 is as big as you think compared to the gap between 9040C and 2S38.
try comparing ALL the stats as a change in percentage and see how much better the 2S38 is than the 9040C and then do the same for how much better HSTVL is compared to 2S38.
list the numbers here and motivate a BR for the 2S38 between the two others according to those numbers alone.
If that was the case, then my KDR in 2S38 would be higher than that of HSTVL, especially since I play them identically.
And since I’ve been playing Begleit identically to 2S38 and HSTVL, my KDR In that went from 0.61 to where it is now at around 0.9.
HSTVL is the single fastest tank in the game [If the funny 2 RH120 German tank isn’t faster]. Type 90 is the fastest MBT in the game, and Leopard 2K is the fastest accelerating MBT in the game.
Begleit, 2S38, and Strf 9040C share similar acceleration and general speed with Leopard 1 like acceleration.
Drastic difference in speed.
HSTVL has superior gun laying and munition, having the best munition of auto-lights.
All of that translated into a stock experience where I am performing well in the HSTVL despite it being stock, something I haven’t experienced in an upper vehicle ever before.
Numbers would have to wait cause I rightly don’t care and am busy with other things.
not gonna respond to the rest because of off topic for my question. will wait for numbers when you have the time.
Only viable when you need to “prove soviet bias”.
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It’s funny how two people that never cite sources complain that I always cite sources.
Yeah. I’m not engaging with either for posting their off-topic insult toward the community. They can apologize if they want me to re-engage.
Belittling others regardless of reason is how you get them to push you off the list of stuff to do.
There are provocations/instigating language in their posts that I nor others should have to deal with.
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