but it does impact the Performance because of … that buy it “look futuristic ru tonk, must buy”
it ruins entire br brackets because those people doesn’t know how to play it use it etc
Why should the hstvl 12.7 ? makes 0 sense 2s38 would beat it in all regards except apfsds pen iirc
and bagel 10.7 ? sure if we get the apfsds round the helicopter warning and the 720hp engine back
I do wonder what you smoke all day long…
HSTVL is faster, smaller, better gun & ammo, better optics, with identical protection. The only downside is thermal generation.
Weird of you to defend 2S38…
Begleit is currently 1 BR lower than where 2S38 should be.
Begleit is as fast as 2S38, same armor, TOW missiles, similar optics. Only downsides are worse thermal generation and no APFSDS.
Giving Begleit APFSDS would make it at least the same BR as 2S38, but because it’d be better than the 2S38 due to TOWs it’d probably 0.3 BRs higher than 2S38 with APFSDS.
You’re missing the fact that the 2S38 has a much faster reload, more ammo, and has IRST with proximity shells.
defending the 2s38 ?
When i say that it would have way better stats if not everyone and his mom could buy it after downloading the game ye makes sense
But you are back to twisting the words to make them fit your opinion
IRT and proximity shells don’t increase its BR as it’s already above 9.3.
Reload doesn’t matter too much.
And 2S38 has the same first stage as HSTVL has ammo.
IRST and Proxy shells very much should increase its BR as it allows the vehicle to counter air targets, in particular close flying Heli’s/Planes, which is a huge deal given how lightly armored the HSTV-L and 2S38 (supposedly) is
Reload matters a lot when the HSTV-L has a 3x the reload time when it only has 20% more penetration than the 2S38 (about 50mm)
and finally
Same first stage *But about 120 more rounds than the HSTV-L total, allowing it to engage with significantly more targets overall
Its anti-air capability already has increased its BR to 9.3 [and beyond for APFSDS]. However, IRT [no search functionality] and proxy cannot be more effective than that.
2S38’s BR is currently 10.0, above its anti-air capability.
So by that logic, the LAV-AD should be 9.3? Since it has no Search mode, and replaces the Proxy with Stingers? It also lacks the APFSDS and its “rockets” are a joke.
And the HSTV-L down to 10.3? Since it doesn’t have ANY SPAAG capabilities and only has APFSDS with no IRST.
LAV-AD is 10.0 due to its anti-air capability. You forgot that it has Stingers, which on their own is 9.7, with a gun that’s 10.0
HSTVL is 11.3 due to it being the fastest tank in the game, among the smallest, well armored for what it is, great optics, and of course 1st in class gun handling.
Not sure why you now want 2S38 to be 9.3…
Pretty sure he mentioned it has stingers, don’t think he forgot…
Isn’t the same gun found at 8.3 on a Bradley? Or am I mistaken, haven’t checked in a while
The HSTV-L sacrifices any SPAAG capability for it’s size and speed. What the HSTV-L lacks in fire rate, ammo selection, and IRST, and LWR, it gets back in Gun Handling, Pen, and Speed.
The 2S38 has similar armor if not arguably better armor than the HSTV-L thanks to the Fuel Tank in the way of the crew. Yeah, whatever, “side shot and its dead”- that’s the same with the HSTV-L crew placement. It has slightly better optics than the 2S38, but has significantly worse Thermals than it (Gen 1 on HSTV-L compared to 3rd Gen Thermals).
Overall, these two vehicles are absolutely close to the same capability wise. What one gets, the other doesn’t, and generally speaking the split of this whole “what one gets the other doesn’t” is 50/50. Overall, they shouldn’t be 1.0 BR spread apart- at most, .3 would probably be reasonable. If that means moving the HSTV-L down, so be it- but their BR spread is illogical for the capabilities each has.
It is different. the Gau-12 has less pen (66mm HVAP compared to the Bradley’s 81mm APDS) but a much higher fire rate. It is by no means, however, a 10.0 Gun.
Oh that’s riht the Lav has a Gatling, how the hell did I forget that lmfao
Ammo selection inferior to its APFSDS wouldn’t impact BR.
IRT is a thing for <10BR vehicles without search radars. Lvkv 9040 has a search radar.
And fire rate, as much as people complain, first shot of HSTVL either blows up the tank or takes out the gun anyway, just does it better since it pens more.
And no, they’re not close in capability.
You know what’s close in capability? Strf 9040C and 2S38. Give Begleit APFSDS and it’s literally 2S38 in everything but without IRT and with TOW missiles.
Oh, and if LWS mattered Italy’s Leo 1A5 wouldn’t be 9.3.
Same caliber. 25mm is 25mm is 25mm. I made the same mistake with the 75mm guns on the M3 Lee and M4 Shermans lol.
I would appreciate it if you could expand on this for me. I’m curious as to what makes you say that, because although I don’t agree, seeing some reasoning could get me to change my mind or at the very least understand where you are coming from
The reason I call HSTVL superior requires the preface and the main.
Preface: There are proximity-round anti-air systems at 9.0 and 8.7 using BOFORS. With 57mm proxy being superior [which may not actually be proxy] that IMO makes 2S38 9.3 if it lacks APFSDS.
2S38 is its BR [and should be 10.3 IMO] because of its APFSDS.
The analogues: Begleit, Strf 9040C, 2S38, and HSTVL.
HSTVL is unique in its lower ammo capacity due to bigger gun. Technically OTOMATIC is an analogue as long as it has its DM23 equivalent APFSDS but that’s depressing.
2S38: Thermal generation.
HSTVL: Smaller size [it’s primarily just shorter], superior optics [zoom], fastest light tank in the game, best ammo of the 4, and best gun handling of the 4. Its armor is also slightly stronger than the rest.
That is why I think HSTVL should remain 1.0 BR higher than 2S38. Note I stated 2S38 should be 10.3 earlier.
I don’t think gen 1 thermals is enough of a negative to impact the obviously superior survivability and effectiveness features of HSTVL.
Oh, and laser warning system clearly doesn’t impact BR due to how many like-vehicles have it at the same BR as each other.
this again ?
sorry what ? bagel is 9.3 with proxy with no irst and no 3 gen thermals
Also has a real HE-VT unlike the 2s38 that has a radio fused round (but gaijin and double standards ;) )
So bagel should be then what 8.3 ? 8.0 ?
Except the Otomatic is nearly as big as a house
Alone the breach has nearly the size of the 2s38 turret
worse reload, worse ammo count…
The armor doesn’t really matter its more the angle of the armor that acts for “funny moments”
but in that case 2s38 get’s the fueltank that eats entire rounds + spall so that even’s it out
Meanwhile 2s38 is allowed to point and click on 10.0
If the devs would put the hstvl for a SINGLE week on 10.3
entire forum would run amok because they would pop any tank they face
Meanwhile 2s38 P2P special need nation get’s ignored because of … playing it
Begleit is already 9.3.
Not sure why your post seems to want Begleit at 8.3, 2S38 at 9.3, Strf 9040C at 9.0, etc…
2S38 has armor behind the fuel tank which spalls.
HSTVL, Strf 9040C, Begleit, and 2S38 can only “point and click” weak spots.
2S38 doesn’t get special treatment at all.
You keep defending the 2S38 for no reason. It’s worse than the HSTVL, always will be.
@Ion_Protogen
I fixed the wording.
By saying they want an analogue to reduce or increase in BR, you have to accept that you want to increase/decrease the BR of the rest of the analogues.
2S38 is a 10.3 at 10.0.
It’s an Strf 9040C with more penetration and that’s it.
HSTVL is vastly superior to both Strf 9040C and 2S38, that’s a fact.
And without APFSDS Begleit is literally a 2S38 if it had APCBC and TOW missiles.
Same speed, protection, optics.
The only negative is thermal generation, but as seen with M1A2, that doesn’t impact BR even if people think it should.