2S38 to 11.0

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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Looks pretty small of a breech to me!

At least it’s not a god damn trailer… Nice comparison

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For one thing, that is not the Zak-57 I’m referring to, has a different muzzlebreak, different barrel shroud, and ultimately even if the breech was that small, the assembly, traversal system, and autoloader that it has in the 2S38 would take up most of the turret space, and thus would not be that tiny.

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Look what nation harrier GR1 in now look again at 2S38 if GR1 was in USSR tree i’m sure they will just let it sit where it is

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Not dominating but it does have a few features that do drastically improve it’s performance around the board, regardless of player skill or stats

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Well this these features/details are just russian bias.

  • classfied as light vehicle instead of SPAA.
  • same reload speed as 40mm systems
  • no drawback from single-feed system
  • lowest repair cost
  • HE-VT instead of HE-TF
  • underrated
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1- Which is why it’s 10.0 instead of 9.3 without APFSDS.
2- Which is realistic.
3- What?
4- Premiums in general have lower repair costs.
5- Which doesn’t matter since it’s 10.0 instead of 9.3.
6- By 0.3, yes.

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And what I posted was a 2A90

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I wouldn’t exactly call a 48% winrate with a 1.1 K/D and 1.2 K/M ratio ‘‘Dominating’’.

Gaijin cares about statistics, and the statistics for the 2S38 are dreadfully poor. I haven’t looked up the stats for the Harrier GR1 but I suspect they were significantly better.

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  1. Nice you don´t understand the issue at all. Even Gajin states that the 2S38 is a “attempt to transform the platform into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun” but classify the vehicle as a Light one. It`s the very same bullshit classifying a Wiesel 1A4 as SPAA.
  2. I must be more specific, the reload speed for the ready rack is in comparision to the 40mm system identical. Usually if the shell is bigger the reload speed for the ready rack is higher.
    2S38 is a exception of that “rule”. Otomatic got 4 times longer reload for having a shelld twice the size.
  3. The 2s38 should not be able to switch shells as quickly as a 2-belt-feed-system. Such a system could have the desired shell in the second belt ready for loading. A single-belt-system should have a bigger reload time, if you choose a different shell.
  4. You`re right.
  5. It does matter very well since PUMA has a similar HE-TF shell as well. 2S38 gets HE-VT instead, PUMA does not, so just plain russian bias.
  6. By Br0.7 too low… Lvkv should be Br. 10.3 - 2S38 Br10.7 - Otomatic Br11.3.
    If the Otomatic overrated and should drop down to Br 10.7. But in the current stat the 2S38 is better than Lvkv and worse than Otomatic.
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1- So why do you want to buff the 2S38 by labeling it a SPAA?
2- 2S38 isn’t anywhere close to an exception to the rule.
3- Leclerc says hi. It’s not unique.
5- Irrelevant since HEVT is 9.3 round.
6- The only reason why 2S38 would be 10.7 is if HSTVL goes to 11.7, Strf 9040C goes to 10.3, VCC-80/60 to 10.0, and Begleit to 9.7 in order for fairness.

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…Other than the multitude of arguments made.

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Arguably an 8.0 round since the WZ305 has the exact same proxy shell.

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The VCC-80/60 is abysmal even at 9.0 xD

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It’s literally a 2S38 at 9.0 with a slightly lower first stage reload and inferior thermals.

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i have to agree with sanguin here, 80/60 is probably the worst tank in that br range i have ever played. Not even in the same ballpark as 2s38.

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gimme gimme spaa classification less spawn points needed to spawn lmao

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Are you saying you want the 2S38 to be an SPAA?

And the Bagel Panzer is also an exception, I guess.
That’s what happens when you have light ammunition with modern systems.

That’s a great point! Single feed autocannons shouldn’t be able to switch ammo types freely.

Make a bug report.

The PUMA doesn’t have a proximity-fused HE shell. The 2S38 does, and IRL it has 3 different shells to choose from… One is a guided shell.
Russian bias, though, right?

The OTO I’d say would be perfect at 11.0, with the Lvkv at 10.0 and the 2S38 at 10.3.

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It’s a 2S38 with worse gen thermals, inferior survivability, 2s reload instead of a 0.5s reload, much worse gun elevation with no IRST, and much much lower ammunition pool. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

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Also the darts don’t deal any post pen damage.

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Both seem to fail at dealing any post-pen damage, just that the 2S38 can fire 3 more shots while the VCC reloads.