No? You do realize I made a whole wall of text comparing direct numbers and stats to his cherrypicked ones? You literally replied to that post. I find myself consistently dumbfounded by how low you can get.
Apparently -3 degrees more depression negates over twice the gun handling.
I find myself consistently dumbfounded with how you characterize someone as “dumb and adamant at the same time” and then are surprised how you don’t see how arrogant you make yourself out to be.
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Comparing the two APFSDS shells on them makes no sense, both shells pen the exact same weakspots regardless the cv90 has a higher rpm and the 2s38 has better spalling
As for the HE-VT they’re practically identical id rather use the cv90 and i will once i get it becuase from seeing it being used its incredibly consistent and better since the higher cyclic rate helps massively the trigger radius being slightly higher on the 2s38 can just be considered a sidegrade for having a lower RPM
As for the unmanned turret cope, this would’ve been a good point a few updates ago but now the 2s38 can be ammoracked by shooting the ammo in the turret and can also be overpressured by HEAT-FS to the turret and UFP
Onto gun handling im 90% sure the cv90 all get above 38°s turret trav and 25°s vertical trav which is sufficient for any encounter they come against stop whining.
Would you please like to demonstrate the ingame practical difference between gen 2 and gen 3 thermals because they’re almost completely identical ingame
Heres the chally 2 with gen 2 thermals
Heres the 2s38 with gen 3 as for commander thermals who cares theyre a useless gimmick 90% if the time anyway
Onto mobility
The stridsfordens 9040c has a p/w of 19.3
The 2s38 has a p/w of 23.2 sure the 2s38 is faster acceleration wise by a little bit but it has weaker armour making it vulnerable to enemy autocannons unlike the cv90 which are mostly immune to 30mm and lower
Stop complaining about the lvkv radar it also has access to UTAAS which can lock up to 8km
Your next point is just dumb what you’re saying is an advantage on the cv90 for the most part just aim better and you wont be running out of the ready rack so quickly
And yes the 2s38 can kill pretty much any tank frontally so long as you know the weakspots but so can a T-34/85
Just learn how to aim and stop expecting every shell to magically teleport itself inside of the crew compartment
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“Apparently”, being the clause.
3 degrees of gun extra gun depression on a considerably shorter chassis does indeed negate good vs great horizontal traverse speeds in terms of gun handling.
Especially considering the topic of an unmanned turret is constantly brought up surrounding the 2S38 - when that very same unmanned turret is turned far less effective due to those missing 3 extra degrees coupled with a very tall hull…
You said horizontal traverse is the primary facet of gun handling. Which is obviously wrong.
…You do realize that engagement is meant to be an active process and not a reactive process?
You think the Type 59 with its abysmal horizontal traverse was unplayable for me?
Of course - this is all under the assumption that horizontal traverse speed isn’t inverse, and that the jump from 33 to 56 is less noticeable than the jump from 5 to 10.
An active process in close quarters means HORIZONTAL TURRET TRAVERSE matters more than depression in most cases.
In short, evidence supports that the 2S38 will hold in an uptier and can go up to 10.3 or 10.7.
You’re the only one out of the bunch who consistently argues about it and against it. You consistently try stat shaming, until called out for what you are, and then you whine that you’re actually being ‘intellectually sound’ and the rest are just ‘dumb’.
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You’re too dumb to realize what active and reactive means when it comes to engagement.
I don’t know if it’s even worth spelling it out, but - it is what it is.
In CQC - you will HEAR the enemy. You will obtain information about where the enemy IS. (And also know positions on the map).
You will turn your turret TOWARD the enemy before you SEE the enemy. That is ACTIVE engagement.
Of course, both the 2S38 and the 90s have more than adequate horizontal traverse speeds for anything, so this doesn’t mean much. The Lvkv90 does have the advantage when it comes to killing air targets, because the 2S38 has to waste its time scanning the skies - while the Lvkv90C will have a radar ping and turn exactly towards the target in advance.
REACTIVE means that you will hold W into the enemies and REACT to them without thinking. This is probably your preference.
CQC when hearing and turning to address is reactive.
Active engagement is anticipating where the enemy’s routes of travel are, or predicting where they will go, and intercepting them ahead of time. This is done typically in long range.
Whichever your preference, it’s quite clear that the 2S38 is worth an uptier.
Also, in regards to ‘you’re too dumb’, you see of course now why I say you are what you are. You’re toxic, and I personally don’t like you.
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Don´t forget that 2S38 has 75° elevation that none of the compared vehicles has.
That´s the reason the 2S38 should be classified as SPAA.
Another interesting fact is that 2S38 shares the same reload time (2.5sec) for the ready rack as the 9040C despite having a larger caliber.
The Otomatic on the other hand needs 10seconds also 4 times longer.
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Turret traverse in active engagement above a certain amount like 15°s doesnt matter you have ears i assume they function you should be able to hear where the enemy is and already have your gun pre aimed
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I’m fairly sure the reason they didn’t make it SPAA was to grant it the light tank’s recon abilities.
SPAA also have recon do you not play the game or something???
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The Lvkv9040C does not.
Make a bug report then instead of whining on the forum about it most of the rank VII SPAA have spotting
We’re not whining about the Lvkv9040c here. It’s a good IFV. Not amazing, not even top 8. But good. This thread is about the 2S38 being broken at 10.0, which it is.
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You don’t seem to understand that something can only be broken relative to other vehicles - and the Lvkv9040C is easily just as good if not better than the 2S38…
The 2s38 performs nearly identically to the cv90 series i literally already explained that in that wall of text earlier but it seems you’re too lazy to read
It does not perform identically. Neither of you even own the 9040 series.
Its a premium many people spent money or time to get it its not gonna go up cause you have problem with it yes its a weird vehicle sometimes biggest round in game cant kill it sometime .50cal remove it
yes it can obliterate lower brs in right hand no it never can perform good in higher tiers give the game time soon every techtree will get something to counter a thing like 2s38