Opposite day is only once a year, not all year-round.
Yeah, the ZTL-11 is only good on opposite day, are you incabale of basic reading comprehension?
Yep…
I won’t bother stat shaming you.
I’ll show my stats in top tier tanks.
Edit: Now imagine what would happen if 2S38 was added to my line-up.
You’d get a 0.75:1 KDR in it.
You said guess, so I estimated.
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…Those are horrible stats? You didn’t even manage 2 K/D in the most handheld tank in the game - the Object 292? You average like 1 K/D?
Here’s what would happen if you got the 2S38 - after 100 games in it, you would have a K/D ratio below one. My guess would be ~0.7 K/D. I can bet on that.
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Huh, didn’t see this post as I was writing on mobile. Funny that we both had a similar conclusion.
~0.7 perfectly lines up with other people’s relative statistics in the 2S38 that I’ve seen.
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Magical Russian fuel tank technology. Combines the power of spall lining AND ERA at the same time.
Frankly the 2S38 wouldn’t bother me quite so much if the breech wasn’t the tiniest rectangle also the size of a twig, so it’s extremely difficult to hit the mysteriously far smaller than real life 57mm
Or if the fact that Russian ammo sometimes simply decides not to explode when I put a shell through it.
But hey, bad players die in it so it must be balanced.
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I see where you’re coming from, I play 9.3 Germany and one match I played had me immediately spawncamped by 2S38s in under 2 minutes. Wish I could find the replay, but I cannot.
I just watched APFSDS not kill two crew members, how.
Clearly the russian 57 mm breach has the size of a snickers in real life everyone knows that /s
but yes somehow most things in this tank look rather small like the engine as well
Because clearly 90% of the space of the 2S38 is empty for storing… things.
LMAO
You are a joke. Tell me you spawncamp without telling me you spawncamp.
2S38 is similar to HSTV-L for America, but it is in a lower b.r. and it has better thermical visor, is amphibious, spams more…it MUST be brought to a highter b.r. in my opinion.
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Gen 2 and gen 3 are literally the exact same in game its just that gen 3 has slightly higher contrast.
Why does it being amphibious even matter it might help once every thousand games and what do you mean it spams more? The cv90 fires even faster and sits at the same br as the 2s38.
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Weird since the 2S38’s breach is rather large in-game.
The engine is a flat engine to allow soldier access, and only produces 500HP because of that.
@TheMightyAltroll
Weird since, not even half of the 2S38 is empty.
And the Lvkv9040C (at 10.0) has:
- far better survivability, with 5 crew members, a frontally mounted engine and transmission, and good spall liner coverage
- a radar to actively spot aircraft from far away (unlike the 2S38)
- far better gun handling with a better gun depression, while not being as tall (the 2S38s unmanned turret is useless because it only has -5 deg of depression while being a tall bus)
- a higher RPM (FIRES ALMOST THREE TIMES FASTER)
- double the reverse speed
What the 2S38 has over the Lvkv9040C:
- slightly higher hp/t
- slightly better APFSDS
- APHE (which can prove detrimental if you’re caught in a frontal engagement and struggle to pen)
- slightly higher turret rotation speeds
And the HSTV-L has:
- the best shell out of both of them
- insane gun handling with -17 (SEVENTEEN DEGREES) of gun depression (GOES UP TO -30 FROM THE SIDE)
- insanely high survivability due to an insane damage model and ricochet angles (impossible to kill if its hull down, essentially, and considering it’s extremely small with an extreme gun depression…)
- has over 10hp/t more than both of them, is far faster
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The Lvkv9040C has this shell
The 2s38 has this shell
You are fooling yourself if you are going to call that ‘slightly better’
It also has APHE, which isn’t detrimental because you simply swap at will.
The 2S38 also has this shell
Which has a 6m trigger radius, as opposed to the Lvkv9040C’s
Which also does far less damage, and anyone who has ever used the Lvkv9040C will tell you that the proxy fuze is not very good at actually killing aircraft, most times you will only get a ‘hit’ or very minor damage.
The Lvkv9040C does not have an unmanned turret, and can easily be destroyed/ammoracked through the turret. It does not have a tiny Gaijin male sized breech, unlike the 2S38, which makes it easy to breech. The Lvkv9040C, due to the massive radar on the back, is extremely easy to kill with HE, something Russians have in spades.
The 2S38 has OBSCENELY good gun handling, STOCK it is 38 degrees, which will only get better, likely upwards of 60 degrees, and it is 22 degrees vertical. (I’m not pathetic enough to buy the 2S38 so I don’t know for certain, this is a guesstimate). The Lvkv is literally half as good as the 2s38 in gun handling.
The 2S38 has gen 3 commander and gunner thermals, the LvKv9040c has gen 2 thermals and NO commander sight.
While the Lvkv 9040c has double the reverse, it takes much longer to reach the same speed as the 2s38. The 2s38 is much more maneuverable, much faster forward, much more responsive. So no, the Lvkv9040C is not more mobile.
The radar is actually not super helpful. It can occasionally find targets, but the angle is fairly low facing, and the lock on is IRST, which the 2S38 appears to have far better functionality with, as I struggle to lock on to many things with the 9040C.
While the 9040C may have double the fire rate, it also runs through its ready rack (24 shots) in seconds, while outputting far less firepower than the 2S38. It then takes forever to rearm said ready rack. It takes 5.5 seconds of sustained fire to completely empty the Lvkv9040C’s ready rack, whereas it takes twice as long, over 10 seconds, to empty the 2S38’s ready rack of 21.
The 2S38 can also kill pretty much any tank in the entire game frontally, if you know your weakspots.
The HSTV-L is also 11.3, does not have an unmanned turret, does not have IRST, does not have proxy fuze, and does not have APHE. The shell of the HSTV-L is also only marginally better than the 2S38’s APFSDS, and you have to aim for the same weakspots.
A better comparison would be the Otomatic, which sits at 11.3 as well, and is worse in every single way to the 2S38, besides slightly better shells (though the APFSDS is limited to 12 shots, and is artificially inaccurate) and a mediocre radar (the lock on function is wobbly and also very inaccurate, unlike IRST which is steady.)
So frankly I just think you are a purchaser of the 2S38 (Gross) and are attempting to defend it with all of your might. It is severely, hilariously, and obnoxiously undertiered.
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Ah, I see - a text wall so full of skewed information that you intend to triumph by making it a literal chore to debunk your spewings.
I’ll just focus on the few specifics.
Gun handling is primarily gun depression, then horizontal and vertical traverse speeds.
The 33deg/s experted of the Lvkv9040C is more than enough and plenty fast. The 2S38s experted 56 deg/s is faster by a noticeable amount - but is far less of an advantage compared to the Lvkv’s 8 degrees of gun depression coupled on a lower turret.
I’ve personally never used a commander sight once in my life. And yet I seem to have performed noticeably better than you in any vehicle we’ve both played, so clearly - it’s not a very necessary feature.
Gen 2 vs gen 3 thermals is quite literally unnoticeable.
19.3hp/t vs 23hp/t is nowhere near the difference that you are making it out to be.
So can the Lvkv9040C.
Not an advantage for the 2S38 because of its horrible depression + huge vertical profile exacerbating the issue.
(You don’t seem to understand that an unmanned turret without gun depression isn’t a very large advantage - while the HSTV-L is a tank with, I believe, the best gun depression in the game on a tiny turret. Its turret can be nigh invisible, and I even think it might not even require turret crew to function - essentially becoming unmanned after being shot.)
…But is a 100 times better platform in every feasible way. With an actually considerable hp/t advantage (literally 10hp/t more), and the most insane gun handling in the game, packed into a tiny chassis with a far higher survivability. It’s quite obvious that most people don’t understand how much of a detriment size is.
“Worse in every single way” until you realize the advantages it has, and you start half-heartedly listing them, as if the APFSDS on it isn’t a much higher caliber, and much higher pen. And as if its full-size radar combined with a superior proxy doesn’t make it far better at killing aircraft. Although I do believe it is overtiered, and should go lower.
And you finish off your post with something utterly wrong (clearly a bit of a trend).
I don’t think you understand that trying to apply some sort of “peer pressure” - since you’ve just made a post without any substance, essentially “coping” - doesn’t actually affect me? Right?
You do realize that you telling me to “see myself out” after writing a very poorly written reply (“he just read you to filth” ???) (“real with us and admit you just don’t see why it should be put up in tiers” ???) isn’t really doing anything? You’re not someone worthy of respect in the least.
Also, it’s quite clear with that “Edit” that your reading comprehension is non-existent, so I think text-based forums such as this one really aren’t your speed.