Disagree. The penetration being marginally better doesn’t make up for the lack of HE-VT and IRST, plus APHE (extremely good for Leopards and light tanks) and the faster fire rate.
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IRT is irrelevant as it’s a 9.3 feature and 2S38 is 10.X.
APHE is an 8.3 round, APFSDS is overall superior.
Faster fire rate on 26ish rounds isn’t a positive as much as you think it is.
HSTVL will last for a minute of sustained fire.
Nothing else will due to their faster first-stage reloads.
Panic shooting is all the faster fire rate helps with, which is a noob tactic and grants less frags.
“a 9.3 feature” which most IFVs at 10.0 lack, but the 2S38 has.
Unless you’re shooting the side of a NATO MBT.
Neither vehicle has substantial armor. The 2S38 has a crewless turret, the HSTV-L does not.
The HSTV-L only has 26 rounds total lol
Only because of its limited rounds, considering it only is allowed to take 26.
wtf is this even supposed to mean? IRST isn’t useful because theres a 9.3 with it? what?
If you like wasting 8 rounds sniping crew members when 2 rounds of APHE work, go ahead, but it’s usefule whether you want it or not.
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IRT isn’t a mythical feature. It’s purely coincidence the BRs of vehicles with IRT are, on top of which 8.3 is the lowest BR with IRT.
2S38 has no armor either.
@BlueRooster57
I use 4 rounds or less for tanks when using auto-lights. It’s usually 1 - 2.
Would love to see you 2 shot a Strv 122B+ from the front or side.
I stated this.
IRST with proxy rounds allows you to engage low flying aircraft which is the common use of aircraft at the BR range as CCIP is still more common than targeting pods although Gaijin has been slowly adding more and more than do have GBLs.
The IRST feature isn’t what makes the 2S38 “strong” since it lacks radar, but it is still a part of why the vehicle is so effective.
I don’t see why you think that matters? HSTV-L is HIGHER than the 2S38 and still doesn’t have it
Below turret ring, driver position.
3 crew dead and/or ammo detonation.
@Vamilad
Also 2S38 doesn’t have the S part of “IRST”, there’s a reason I remove it from my statements.
HSTVL is superior at fragging tanks than 2S38 due to its double acceleration, 13kph faster top speed, superior FOV, and superior round.
Ok sure go do that in a real match.
Wow 50 more pen, exciting…
“Wow 50 more pen.” - People defending the 2S38 being 10.0 with Strf 9040C.
Also I already did that in real matches the last few weeks.
Yes Strf is OP too. Doesn’t help your point
Proof?
Can’t really “hear of hull down” when your tank is extremely tall and only has 5 degrees of gun depression, to be fair.
Maybe tell me what part I said was wrong so we can have a discussion rather than doing this and contributing nothing to the conversation.
Your vehicle being tall allows you to shoot over terrain / dead tanks. It’s not a negative.
No you can’t be a 1mm high pixel at the top of a hill, neither can the HSTV-L on 90% of maps which are CQC city brawls. In a city being able to shoot over destroyed tanks / random debris is better than being low to the ground.
Your vehicle being tall lowers your effective gun depression because your gun needs to depress further to get on the same target as a shorter tank… It’s literally the most basic logic that anyone with more than 100 games in tanks should have picked up by now… Jesus.
Also - yeah, no - the 2S38 is:
- not only taller than most destroyed tanks, lowering the advantage
- not only can destroyed tanks be shot through anyway
- not only can shorter tanks still shoot through the part of a destroyed tank where the turret isn’t, but the 2S38 is still not tall enough to shoot through parts of a destroyed tank where the turret was, completely negating this “advantage”
AND - not only is it better to hide behind dead tanks as an IFV, instead of peeking
BUT
You didn’t think for a single moment before writing this post, did you? It’s almost offensive, really. I’d appreciate if you at least put some thought into what you’re saying if you’re gonna campaign for a drastic vehicle BR change just because the 2S38 makes you irrationally angry. (You’re basically operating on feelings)
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If you’re cresting a hill which is not what occurs in every situation.
Armor still applies on destroyed vehicles you can’t just shoot through them unless they’re the hull of a light tank.
Ah, of course - you’re gonna be hiding behind the front of an MBT, shooting right through its turret!
It’s not like MBT sides are ~30-80mm thick and any usable destroyed tank cover will require you to shoot along its sides.
I just can’t believe that I’m even explaining this.