2S38 a vehicle from 2023 capable of frontally penning an MBT's hull and turret cheeks from 1981

yes, you can shooting the gunner sight will ammorack its ready rack, happens to me too many time

I just quoted the exact statement supporting my statement. Are you unable to read english?

I’m talking about the BILL…
I’ve also played the M113 TOW (one of the worst TOW launchers) and had a perfectly decent time?

Why are you like this?

The BILL’s missile is wire guided.

Then you are aware that the majority of maps in War Thunder are not designed to allow long range combat.

all saclos are wire guided

SACLOS “Semi-automatic command to line of sight”

“Wire and radio-guided SACLOS”

“Beam-riding SACLOS”

(HSTV-L): 275mm penetration every 1.5 second

(2S38): 225mm penetration every .5 seconds

This is actually the first remotely valid post about the 2S38, and why it should, yet again, as everyone knows, should go up in BR by 1.0 minimum.

Considering the Strv 103 C is at 8.7, has a 4 second reload, and 337mm of penetration, and a all speed gearbox, it’s arguably, or generally, better than the HSTV-L, would rival it if it got its accurate 2.8 second reload, and it’s more survivable. How does that really work?

That is, most certainly not correct. There is a Beam-Riding and Wire Guided. An example of a SACLOS beam rider is the 9M119. Gaijin dumbs down “Guidance” to types, be it Wire, Beam, or TOW, but will just say Wire or Laser guided.

Semi automatic command line of sight, your guidance system is you optic/launch system, you aim the system, the system commands the missile by your actions (that’s the semi-automatic and command part), then it also is aimed by the system’s LOS, which, if obstructed will cause you to lose control of your missile.

2S38 is drastically inferior to HSTVL.
The only way 2S38 goes up by 1.0 is if VCC-80/60 goes up by 1.0 - 1.3, and Begleit, Strf 9040C, and HSTVL go up by 0.7.
The only reason to claim 2S38 is anywhere close to HSTVL is if you hate USA and love Russia.

Strf 103 is a casemate, is far slower, no thermals. Comparing the two is disingenuous along with anti-USA propaganda.

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Anti-USA propaganda, what are you smoking, I’m saying the HSTV-L should be moved down to the 2S38’s BR or vice versa.

The Cv/Strf 9040 can’t be compared to these, as it’s max pen is 170mm.

The VCC-80/60 has 249mm pen @ 30RPM, and barely any armor.

The Bagel-light-panzer is 137mm of pen, but it gets saved by its HOT/TOW, and it’s lack of armor, as well as its thermals and HE-VT.

What are you actually smoking, because as an American, a fellow American, I hold no hate in my heart towards any thing American, and very much support America and having a strong American economy, so I don’t know what Propaganda bullshit your on.

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The HSTVL is double the acceleration, 13kph faster, 25% superior round in penetration double in spalling, just as good turret traverse with superior shooting angles, while having double as good FOV, and slightly smaller. HSTVL is 1.0 BR superior to 2S38 all the time. BT-7M is 0.7 BR higher than BT7 purely based on speed alone despite being identical on all other stats.

HEVT is irrelevant above 9.3 BR.

Yeah, 2S38 has no armor, this is well known.

I’m not sure why you’re slandering HSTVL so much with lies. It’s no where near 2S38 and Strf 9040C in performance.

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I don’t believe this is entirely true, although if it was it’s discounted by the fire rate of the 2S38 being 3 times higher.

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Doesn’t really matter when 2S38 is limited by a first stage about as low as the HSTVL’s total amount.
That and if you’re spraying rounds you’re less accurate.
2S38’s Thunderskill stats could be determined to be caused by those that use its full fire rate rather than slowing down and making more decisive shots.

Fire rate is a double edged sword, too much and you cause less skilled players to do worse than if they were handed something with a slower more competitive fire rate.

“Fire slow quickly.” - Someone in the past.

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Buddy, I never said the HSTV-L was bad, I said it needs to be lowered in BR.

HSTVL is fine at 11.3.
If anything, there might be an indication it alongside all auto-lights need to go up in BR.

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Definitely not all, but some.

Yes.

Less skilled players benefit from increased fire rate as when they miss they’re given more chance to correct their aim.

Because they are literally have two different roles. The HSTVL as of right now is designed to kill tanks and it’s decent at it. The 2S38, is more of a multi-role tank and is good at engaging all types of targets. Don’t get me wrong, the 2S38 should be at least 11.0 because there are tanks that are at a much higher BR and have the same capability but you shouldn’t be comparing it to the HSTVL.

The HSTVL should get a better round so it can at least take out breaches reliably and shoot the sides of T80BVM/T90M but other than that it’s an alright tank, if you play it passively.

I shouldn’t but Gaijin placing the 2S38 where it can readily penetrate every vehicle it faces while retaining high mobility compared to vehicles of its tier means I can.

The HSTV-L is a light tank than the 2S38, but the 2S38 performs better because it’s been placed much lower. Hence my statement “this is like putting the HSTV-L at 6.7”, because that’s effectively what Gaijin is doing by letting a light tank with superior mobility for its BR range be able to frontally penetrate any MBT it comes across.