hard to make it worse when its already terrible and completely useless as a fighter unless the enemy is blind
You don’t seem to play other BRs very often. There’s no such thing as “hurts the most”.
While you are crying about facing aim120s and derbys in your 12.0 mirage,
people flying 13.7 jets suffer from rafale, su30s and EFs,
some flying mig21s suffer from sparrows in 11.3 and R24Rs in 11.7,
mirage 3s in 10.3 cant find any countermeasures to J7D,
Arietes and mig19s have no flares against AIM 9J and aim 9L,
Lim5ps and J5s cant get anything from a smart American Running man in 9.3 and lose on tickets
7.7 is beaten to hell by mig15s and sabre As,
post-war props are being chased by a million su9s and su11s infinitely,
Victory wings fighting enemies that they are never designed for.
It’s the problem of constant uptiers and BR compression, and all the BRs suffer the same, unless you play 14.3, or just leave when an uptier comes.
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if map has dips up and down, large enough so you have to account for them in your flight path, then the map isnt flat, no?
well not neccesarily but possiblity of having almost 200 flares and 200 chaff at BR where most planes have 60x CMs total and most also lack IRCCM missiles is objective advantage.
thats matter of personal preference
mirages also seem to perform better on global average.
I mean if you take the heaviest bombs aviable, thats additonal 2.6t of weight. that is gonna be noticable even if the base FM is already bad.
I dont find it that bad. Sure it cant outturn MiG-23 but can outrun it (thats where the extra CMs come into play).
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I was just recently playing the j-10a and yes that thing pretty much is terrible at 13.7, the difference is the fact that radar missiles are a complete counter to the mirage. With 13.7 vehicles you either are very fast or can turn very well or have good weapons, so you can avoid the enemies. However you cant at 13.0 or 12.0. Every br above 7.7 to top tier for both air and ground are terrible right now but the SARH and AMRAAM jump is insanity.
I mean flat as in they have no mountains or cover from missiles not a minecraft world so stop being annoying
The magics are worthless, you have to be behind a enemy for them to be useful and then you get dogpiled by enemies and never even get a kill
yea but that is throughout all time, the mirage used to be amazing but the new premiums dominate them with ease. Also the mig23 is played more than the mirage which is a good factor as to why it has a lower kd. Noobs buy it more and do less with it.
Look at this picture, im not the only person that struggles with this plane, almost everyone playing it is taking bombs because ata its worthless
I do not know why you think J10a is terrible. It’s very nimble for continuous counter-attacks.
Do you know how to properly notch radar missiles? If you cant do it on J10 properly then you cant do it on mirage.
You only played rank 7 and rank 8 often, so you cant feel what’s like when both of you and your enemies have guns, while you cant catch him cuz you are in a prop and he’s in a jet.
OR the time you see a AIM9L launched on your right and you have 0 flares against it.
Mirage F1C does get a lot of countermeasures, so you can defend youself, Much better than mirage CS4. But when you dont have these… good luck!
Oh btw I did once played mirageF1C to help me get to tier 8, so i dont make things up.
the j-10c is a ok vehicle but there is no point to notch because there is no point in going high, you’ll get destroyed by a f-14 or eurofighter because the pl-12 has terrible range.
thats kinda my main schtick.
Why exactly did we went from CMs to Magics?
well no, that was monthly data which i posted.
HOWEVER
it was monthly data for february, ie. before the addition of Hornets, so it wasnt accurate to the argument at hand.
Heres the global data for september 2025
funnily enough even the premium F1, ie. the one that should have worst stats due to being aviable to even new players, is doing better than US and GER premium hornets and its only slightly lagging behind the CAN one.
while yes, premium mirage is played less than premium mig23, premium mirage has only slightly less games than US premium hornet, and more than both german and UK premium hornets together.
Also, for the previous month, ie. august 2025, there were only slightly less games in premium mirage than in premium mig23
but i digress.
Mirage F1C200 isnt as hopeless as you make it out to be.
high number of new players playing the most played tech trees in game=lower k/ds. Look at the british one, its basically the same as the others but does better. Why? Because its a tech tree not a ton of new players play. On average a good player can get at least 2 or more kills every game in the f-18, even i have done that.
CF-188A is premium, relatively new, and UK already has relatively good option in form of MiG-21 Bison which seems to be the more played premium.
also while were at it, F-4S remains to be the most played US premium, meaning its more likely to play against F-4S than against Hornets.
It’s one of the best 13.7s, and going high gives you a big advantage in a downtier. PL-12s have ok range, but as long as you aren’t facing 14.3 you can do BVR combat.
I’m confused. Do you always stick to the ground and multipath with top tier jets, including J10?
Also why you dont think notching will happen in mid-air engagements?
False.
There are 23 13.0BR jet exist
And only 7 jets armed with AIM-120
-AV-8B Plus (USA)
-AV-8B Plus (ITA)
-F-4F KWS LV (AKA, F-4F ICE)
-JA37DI
-JA37DI F21
-Sea Harrier FA.2
-Tornado F.3 Late.
7 out of 23 isn’t most.
Debatable take.
AIM-7F/M is a strange missile which can be called both ‘very good’ or ‘awful’
Yes. Typical problem of War Thunder. Compression.
Because it is an IR Missile?
Because you fired it front?
Okay, you can bomb, but don’t use it to rationalise yourself.
Magic II is why it stays 12.0BR. so, if you can’t use it, then it is clear that you feels that it is useless.
Lastly,
Stop spamming ‘Mirage F1C bad’ threads in forum.
Especially when after it is closed by mods.
I think this is an arranged tune for it.
:/
average 7F launch when target presents perfect return with no interference:
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The Mirage problem are not the planes, it’s the bunch of unexperienced players. At 12.0 you have to fly most of the time with 8 ish F1C-200, 99% of the players have no clue what to do or do base bombing.
Magic 2 is an amazing missile, if played properly.
Are people in this thread really pretending like matchmaking is ok in this region of the game? Really?
It is not okay
But OP is exploiting it to bias and justify his take on ‘why F1C sucks’
Yes, Compression exists, and it sucks.
Just, It would be great if he didn’t bring ‘decompression’ up for nothing but biasing his F1C, and make another topic ‘why F1C sucks’.
Decompression is needed. but… really…