13.0 and 12.7 planes that need rework or at least a lot of attention

the F-14A early that is being used is the 1977 model apparently meaning this one did not have 9L’s/were not around yet

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It’s a pointless distinction

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Tell that to gaijin…

I do wish they could upgrade the F-14A to the Block 135 or a near block but /shrug

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and in the coming update we are gaoing to have a F-16 with the 9M and Magic 2 at 12.7

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next update at 12.7
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R-27T and R-27Et have IRCCM

they did a BR change on the DEV server and that was moving the F-5TH from 13.3 to 13.0 i doubt that they will move the F-16OCU up in br

Im aware but im gonna save my judgment on this one till update goes live. T-58 was already bumped by 0.3 BR between dev servers, so id argue it is possible it might end up being 13.0.

Im fully for planes being balanced on their realistic optimal loadouts, but this would kill the tomcat even harder.

-Acceleration? Mig-29
-Top speed? Mig-29
-HMD? Mig-29
-TWS? Mig-29
-IRST? Mig-29
-Radar missiles? Mig-29 (F-16A has none lol. This is the most important difference)
-Flare count? The same thing with single drop after the upcoming update, and the belgian F-16 can only carry the extra countermeasure pods without missiles in the pylon
-Energy retention? F-16

Tell us again how the belgian F-16A is better in most regards.

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so then the Mig-29 could get the r-27er removed and the r-73 instead since the radar missile is the most important

I’m talking about the current F-16A, that new F-16A OCU will go to 13.0 for sure since its better than the current F-16A

It could and it would then be closer to the F-16A, but still won’t be enough to keep it at 12.7

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I forgot it had HMD.

I was jsut thinking 6xR-73 with radar ACM modes for off boresight… With HMD yeah, that is 100% 13.0 worthy.

i thought the radar missiles are much more important than the IR ones

Tell that to Belgium F-16A or Gripen A or Mirage 4K

If the F-16A OCU with 4x Magic II has HMD Its probably stronger than the Belgium F-16A in a dogfight

You misread. I said the most important/impactful difference between the belgian F-16A and the Mig-29G or the hypothetical Mig-29A with R-73 and R-27R is that the F-16A doesn’t have any radar missiles.

The gripen A is almost in the same situation because it has trash radar missiles, but at least it has TWS, HMD, BOL pods, and a better FM than the F-16A

Damn ok that might be a bit excessive but I’m all for it I need to buff my kd in the iraf to my f-14a in sim so that will definitely help, also am I one of the few people who actually like and use the sedjeel like I love that goofy missile and someone commented on me getting kills with it in sim basically asking why I use it

Been confirmed that was wrong information I was given and no changes are actually coming. So my bad on that front.

All good, I was going to say 6 would be enough but 8 lmaoo that would be funny

Though there is a report for more F-90s:

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/tJKBcYkDfnCU

See that I could definitely understand being added, I was confused when I say it only got 4 of them but that could be for balance, and forces me to use the sedjeel which is very satisfying to get kills with