I’ll start with the f14…
I’m a big hater of the F14, but I have to admit, the plane needs a revamp, the state the F14 is in is very complicated.
With the decompression in 14.0 which gave some relief in 13.0 and with new f16 in 13.3 with araam, the f14 kit is very outdated.
To start with the ir missiles, f14A and F14B have missiles completely out of their brs.
f14A should use 9L instead of 9h and f14B should use 9m instead of 9L.
The IRAF also needs better missiles, be they Aim9L/M or R73, because using Aim9P on the 13.0 is impossible.
The f14s needs a reformulation of the SAHR missile kit too.
f14A should have aim7M in addition to F and f14B should have aim7p.
f14 A and B having a completely inferior kit to f18A and C early is complicated, even more so since they are planes with a lower power than the F14.
Now another point I need to talk about… mig 29.
Remove the r27ER1 from the mig 29 12.7 and return the r73 to it, if you want to keep a SAHRs on the mig 29 that is the standard r27R.
We already have 12.0 and 12.3 planes with IRCCM missiles in the game, why can’t the Mig29 have its main/historical loadout?
…And finally, the biggest blue-eyed whitefly in this game, the Mirage 4000.
I don’t even know what to suggest for this plane, but it is in a very strange spot, I accept suggestions.
Edit:give aim7m to netz, because it only has IR missiles and is 12.7 is unjustifiable.
This would likely result in it moving up to 13.0 alongside direct equivalents like the Viggen DI. One of the reasons its able to maintain its position of being the only 12.7 with ARH (Despite arguably weaker aircraft at 13.0 with ARH) is because of its limitations in WVR.
I dont really have much of an opinion on the F-14A IRIAF or F-14B. F-14B would beenfit from a BOL overhaul just as much as the FA2 and Viggen DI would. IRIAF Is getting a buff with more ARH this major iirc, so its probably fine to continue as is. Farming the premium players that dont know their aircaft can turn.
Are you really comparing a Mig-29 with 4x R-73 to a Tornado Gr4, Mirage 2000D-R3 or F-1C 200?
Mig-29 with IRCCM would probably be better compared to the Belgium F-16A at 13.0 with Aim-9M. It could very well result in a BR increase to 13.0. (though Id rather fight a Mig-29 with R-73 than R-27ER)
Its getting more CMs this major, but there is nothing to suggest. It has 8x Magic II, it cannot go below 13.0. What is needed is a 13.0 decompression. Because whilst the Mirage 4K is weaker than most 13.0s, its a hell of a lot stronger than a lot of 12.7s.
The F-14A (non Iran version) is hard to balance because it’s one of the planes that either get lots of kills and bully, or is completely overshadowed. It kills multipathers especially planes with bad RWR.
Looking over at datamined values, 7F gets 5° smaller gimbal limit (55 vs 60 on base 7M) but has better baseline all aspect lock range (80km vs 40km on base 7M) and hard limit lock range (100km vs 70km on base 7M) and bunch of minor differences i cant be bothered to list. ¨
There are more differences between 7F and 7M but these are plane dependent.
Planes that get IRCCM missiles at 12.0 and 12.3 have different limitations to MiG-29.
Mirage F1 is a boat, has terrible radar, no IRST nor HMS, Super 530F utilizes pulse instead of CW meaning its incredibly easy to chaff and most importantly gets only 2x Magic 2s.
Bison is also relatively weaker airframe when compared to MiG-29 and is limited to only 2x R73s.
F-14 is just so sad. Not only are its missiles horrible, its radar is terrible aswell. I’ve been playing F-16A, and I only see a single Aim-54 or Fakour 90 kill once every 2-3 games (and mind you every uptier has atleast 2 F-14s).
No, I’m comparing it with; Yak 141, Mirage 2000s4/s5, Mig21 7Bison, Harrier II Gr.7 and let’s not forget the new plane that is coming, which is the Belgian F16 OCU with 4xMagicII and 2x9m ( 12.7).
I would personally prefer the mig29 with 6x r73 on the 13.0 than it on the 12.7 with r60mk.
limitation is a huge understatement, the f14 A and A irfa do not have WVR
Subsonic aircraft, therefore really shouldnt be counted in that list.
Its like saying the Tornado F3 should have Aim-9M because the Su-25BM has R-73 at 11.0.
Doesnt have IRCCM
12.7 with only 2x Maigc II
S4 is 12.3 but does have other limitations that is just scraping it by keeping it at 12.3 instead of 12.7
Waste of money aircraft
More likely will be 13.0
BRs on the dev server are rarely final.
That’s fine, but then compare it to the 13.0 IRCCM slingers and not the 12.3 ones. But Id expect a BR increase with that change.
That is to a degree an exgeration. There are aircraft at the same BR that cant beat it in a dogfight like the Tonka. In fact, F-14 will hold its own okay against most, the main limitation is the lack of IRCCM at that BR.
it is an extremely fun and consistent plane, it has both r73 and r27T
6 aim9m with Bol at 12.3 is a considerable loadout, It’s a transonic plane, with its peculiarities, but for those who face Mig23 it’s great
“only” 2 magic II, 2x 530D, MAW, a decent radar and an excellent RWR on 12.7.
The s4 has lesser countermeasures and doesn’t have MAW, but it’s still an excellent platform on 12.3.
All fighters have a decent kit, but the F14… leaves a lot to be desired in several aspects, the plane was very strong in the past, but several vehicles have been redesigned and the F14 is not, it is very outdated, it deserves some attention
Doesnt have the same level of IRCCM as anything else. Extremely easy to flare despite technically have IRCCM on the stat card. Its not R-73, Aim-9M, Magic II, PL-8B, etc etc
Still the weakest Rank 8 aircraft in the British TT
What?
4x Aim-9M, not 6.
Yes it has 4x BOL, but BOL doesnt work at the moment. Especially ontop of the Harrier problems in general.
its technically transonic because its above M0.8, but its still a lot slower than the Mig-29. Maxes out at about M0.9
Sure, in a downtier its fine, but the exact same airframe (though with a better engine) can be found at 11.3 with Aim-9Ls. The only reason for it to be 12.3 is the Aim-9Ms. And arguments can be made that 12.3 is too high for the Harrier Gr7 in its current state
Id like to bring your attention to the Sea Harrier FA2 at 13.0.
This plane is simply disgusting, it is probably the worst fox3 launcher in the game, to this day I don’t know why they didn’t put a Harrie II GR9 in place of this plane.
if it was a harrie II that has the same fuselage as the av8, but no they put a harrie I with fox3
Yes… I have… 4x AMRAAM, no gun, no IR, subsonic platform, BOL doesnt work, All the harrier issues
There is a bug report from 2 years ago though for it to have 6 not 4.
FA2 was the logical aircraft to come with ARH, problem was, it came with aircraft that clowned it and its massively nerfed. Would be fine if it was actually performing okay.
No, you are right, but they should be. FA2 should be 12.7
