Why do R-77-1’s constantly hit jets when they are multipathing, but 120’s can’t do anything similar to that?
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First things first, they have identical seekers, so in that regard, there should be no difference, they are equally affected by MP.
As for why there might appear to be a difference then my guesses would be:
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R-77-1 have a larger warhead than AMRAAM, meaning that near hit explosions will do more damage, including those that impact the ground below if the target is flying very low, though they do also have a smaller prox fuse radius (10m vs the AMRAAMs 12m)
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Much faster Time to target. R-77-1s are much faster, leaving less time for the target to react properly
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Su-30SM has PESA radar, this provides far more updates to the missile than any M-Scan, meaning an Aim-120 guided by M-Scan has a lower chance to impact than an Aim-120 guided by AESA/PESA radar.
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User error. There is many ways to mitigate MP, so if your AMRAAMs are failing to hit but their R-77-1s seem to be hitting you, then you might need to adjsut what you are doing.
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Thank you for clearing this up. I was wondering about this. But I do feel that 120s should be performing slightly better than currently.
Aim-120 is 100% underperforming, there is a large number of reports accepted for it
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/FTINp3ILB1Ls
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/i0HIOTuiT0kl
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/QhYDPYj3LIRl
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/W8OLhmU2uAPQ
They should also pull 35G not 32G, but thats proving hard to report
and those are just the ones I could find quickly
Aim-120C5 are in even worse state, but getting sources to report those are even harder
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I know I wasn’t crazy thinking aim-120’s are so weak. I’ve had every single one of these problems myself
What aircraft are you playing?
Currently the F/A-18C Late but a bit ago it was the F-16C
So in summation:
Reduced smoke motor, increased effective range (especially way above Mach 1)?
Hmm… Neither aircraft you can truly max out the Aim-120 with, being slower platforms. Now Ive not played either, but Id sit around 10k ft and fire at around 15km with the A/B and 20km with the C5s (this is how I operate in the Tornado F3 Late) . Try and max out your speed as much as possible, if the target is flying low, firing the missile upwards slightly might help too. The key is to get the missile to come down at as steep of an angle as possible.
Yep and also should be a lot harder to chaff. The narrower beam means that the Missile is less likely to be able to see the chaff, perticularly at longer ranges
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Who do we buzz to get these years’ long bug reports moving along (finally)?
MICA has good seeker, R-77 powerful warhead… AMRAAM should at least be good (if not, the best) at range compared to everything else
No idea, probably need to start with a satanic sacrifice to the great snail god
It is stupid that some missiles have gotten cosnsistant fixes and changes and others just… havent
Unfortunately, that’s just Gajin giving mostly the Russians and the Chinese most of their attention
Actually its the French that have been getting every single buff this past year
I mean, so. Yes they have the same seeker. But fun fact, they aren’t effected by multi-pathing in the same way.
So, something most people dont realize, multipathing is kind of aspect dependent. Not the same way it is irl, but basically since its projecting a lower position of the target, it moves where the missile is leading to. And in most front/side aspect shots, a lower proportional value makes it less severely impacted.
And the R-77-1 has a much lower proportional value to aim-120s, which does actually make it moderately more likely to splash targets. Especially combined with the larger warhead as you said.
Like its not a massive benefit, but it is actually better at hitting multi-pathing targets.
is that why r-27er feels worse than r-77 against multipathers?
they wish