12.3 arb balance

Why is it so that playing on 12.3 planes like F-4EJ kai, F-18A, MIG-21, especially off the prime time like 0:00-3:00am gmt time, regurally result a game in which you and your team is 12.3-13.0 and not having a single 13.3 plane while enemy team having several (usually in a same sqad) 13.3 rvv-ae slingers that’ll just annihilate every single plane in your team

Premium Su-30s and their consequences have been distaster for Warthunder matchmaking.

People spam premium Su-30s, that leads to other people playing any plane between 12.3 to 13.3 less, which leads to more games with premium Su-30s since they now make larger portion of matchmaker, which leads to more people playing any plane between 12.3 to 13.3 less, which leads to more games with premium Su-30s since they now make larger portion of matchmaker, which leads to…

you get the idea.

Premium Su-30s are killing the matchmaker

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Which leads to matches being mostly Su-30s vs Su-30s that are evenly matched, so the average K/D drops off so Gaijin looks at the stats and goes “This is fine, see they are perfectly balanced against each other”.

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Yeah and it is so fucking sad cuz 12.3-12.7 planes are geniunely the most pleasent to play

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gaijins answere to the problem btw

no reason for it not to be 13.7 as it only differs from a 27SM in very little way, uses the same radar but people usually call it weak cause t only has 6 ARH missiles both the MK2 and MKK, which i do not agree with, as of it would face more AESA radar maybe people with their account lvl being 12 would actually look up how to get better at the game and not just spam missiles, i had a (and a genuinely) bad time listening to a MK2 player specifically who said when i asked how hes trying to avoid the missiles while clearly high in the contrails he said hes “trying to roll them” and for him its just plain barrel rolling then proceeded to blame the game for it to be bad and for the “unavoidable missiles”

Im well aware and i discussed this to death.i have lost all remaning hope for any future BR changes.

no excuse for this one yet i see

These BR changes gave me actual Leukemia.

“Our wallet plane seeing planes with only better radar is too much, but planes with only 2 IR missiles seeing the 6 ARH 4 IR missile monster is perfectly fine actually!”

The lengths they go to justify their cashcow even when everyone knows its bs.

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Funny bit, correct me if im wrong, but we only got 14.7 around february, because I recall that on release of MKK (where i got it) i could still see rafales regularly.

And you know what?

MKK was fine.

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I wish you were wrong but you were completely right lol. Typhoon AESA, 2nd Rafale, and SM2, all top dogs of top tier air, were added the same update as MKK/MK2 back in December and only moved up 2 months later.

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I still hate how they said “AESA planes carrying lots of missiles” being unfair to Su-30s as justification too. Like it has more missiles than everything bar other flankers and the CGE. the maximum you’ll see is 4 more missiles compared to your own. The fact that some 14.3s have less missiles than this thing is outright criminal.

Meanwhile poor twin seater M2Ks and Tornados with 2 IR missiles seeing the 5x missile monster
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Yep, while dealing with the max BR planes was a bit of a pain, it was nothing like everything else having to deal with the Su-30s currently.
And you only saw them at a full up tier, while even other 13.3 have a hard time with the Su-30s, never mind the lower planes.
And if Gaijin really thinks it’s an issue they can always decompress top tier a BR or 2.

Ye, already voiced in the thread where they announced BR changes went live, didnt get as much as acknowledgemt from devs lol.

“Oh MK2/MKK cant go up they would be outclassed in full uptier missile count wise!”

The humble F-20, Bison and EJ kai:

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Understatement of the year when even some 14.3s are inferior to some or many aspects compared to Su-30mk2/mkk

I’m just speaking in general terms, I’m not going to get into overtiered outliers like the PoBIT and I obviously haven’t played every plane in the bracket.
But they unquestionably outperforms all other 13.3s and would most likely be on the upper end of the 13.7.

Yeah. In terms of 13.7 only other heavy fighters like 27sm/J-11B and the F-15Cs are better than it. It’s basically better than most light fighters since it gets 10 missiles vs 6 with exception of 29KR, 29M and J-10A getting 8. Of which only 29KR and 10A being true sidegrades/slight-upgrades

As for 14.3. PoBIT and 16V are pretty obvious yeah. But also J-10C (worse missiles after pl-12 nerf, less fuel, less cms) and superhornet (lots of aim-120s but on a barely mach 1.1 airframe in mach 1.5+ lobby meaning most people will die before your missiles hit target)

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